The following birth place, from his emigration record in Wurttemberg (Germany), seems to be for our Gottlieb Fischer. There were many of this name. So other genealogies may give the birth information for other individuals of the same name from other parts of Wurttemberg, and I may also have settled on the wrong one. The date of emigration here for the US matches their first presence in Texas and the birth of Gottlieb's first child in 1852, according to the 1860 census of the family near Fredericksburg, Texas. Boatloads, literally, of immigrants from German states were pouring into Texas at this time. Whole shipfulls were contracted by agents for the specific purpose of settling Texas. The Hill Country of Texas where Fredericksburg is located became a German area, and other areas of Texas became German settlements also. Northeast Texas along the Red River is another big German settlement area. German was spoken and continued to be spoken and taught in the schools until the current generation. Oktoberfest is a today big celebration in Texas Metro areas as wel as the heavily German sections of Texas. Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index Number 835791 Fischer, Gottlieb Birth Place Friolzheim, Leonberg District Application Date Jul 1851 Destination North America Soon after they arrived to their destination near Fredericksburg, Texas, their first son Rudolph was born. In the 1860 census, he is reported as 8 years old. 1860 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 20 July, Precinct 3, PO Fredericksburg, page 32, Hse #285, Fam #267 Fischer, Gottlieb 46 M Farmer $400 Real Estate #800 Personal born Wurtemberg Fischer, Sophie 32 F born Prussia Fischer, Rudolph 8 M born Texas Attended School within the year Fischer, Beta [Berta, Bertha] 6 M born Texas Fischer, Rosa 5 M born Tex Fischer, Arthur 3 M born Tex In about 1852, Comanches took Gottlieb and Sophie's son Rudolph as he walked along in the woods away from the house. He stayed with them until about 1877, when he was released. But he went back to live with the Comanches. He and his family are registered in Comanche censuses. Thus in the 1870 enumeration of the Fischer family, the oldest child Rudolph is missing. 1870 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 13 August, Pedernales Settlements, PO Fredericksburg, page 70, Hse #461, Fam #468 Fischer, Gottl 56 M W Farmer $400 Real Estate $350 Personal born Wurtemberg Fischer, Sophia 40 F W Keeping House born France Fischer, Bertha 17 F W born Texas Fischer, Rosa 15 F W born Texas Fischer, Arthur 12 M W born Texas 1880 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 7 June, Precinct 2, District 62, page 9, Hse #75, Fam #76 Fischer, Gottlieb W M 66 Head Taylor [sic] Wurtemberg Wurtemberg Wurtemberg [b abt 1814] Fischer, Sophie W F 51 Wife Keeping House born Elsase [sic] Elsas Elsas [b abt 1829] Fischer, Rosa W F 25 Dau Tex Wurtemberg Elsas [Alsace] Fischer, Arthur W M 21 Son Tex Wurtemberg Elsas Krube, Henry W M 4 Grandson Tex Prussia Tex Sources tell us his father's name was Theophil, and that was his middle name. Gottlieb Theophil Fischer Birth Dec. 1, 1813 Death Apr. 26, 1894 Spouse Sophie Schertz Fischer (1828 - 1917) Children: Rosa K. Fischer Rabke (1855 - 1942) Arthur Fischer (1858 - 1939) Burial Der Stadt Friedhof Cemetery,Fredericksburg, Gillespie County, Texas Plot: B, 03, 11 Created by Christine Jun 21, 2010 -- Find A Grave Memorial #53962678, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=53962678
1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tribe/Birth Place Comanche/Tex White/Germany White/Germany Blood: White Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living Comanche/TX Comanche/TX TComanche/X 0% White Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living Comanche/TX Comanche/TX Comanche/TX 0% White Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/4 White Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Married White/Okla Territory White/Tex White/Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) In the 1910 census, Lena's husband is not enumerated with the rest of her famliy and her father's family. 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Myers, Lena Dau F Ind 29 Marriage 1 Married 13 years [husband not in household] 5 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue - page 3A - Myers, Mina Granddau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Randlett Grandson M Ind 9 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Rudolph M Grandson M Ind 4 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Catherine Granddau F Ind 1 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ? Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850] Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854] Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher F Dau age 11 [b 1894] Roll #1125 Willie Fisher M Son age 8 [b 1897] Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997] ** Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher FDau age 4 [b 1901] ** Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905] 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Helen [Nis in 1900 ] Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue 1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Page 50 Current #1144 Last #1141 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt 1850] M #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 [b 1996] F #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Head b abt 1850 M #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F ------------------ 1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529 #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son [sic] b 1915 F #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr Dau b 1917 F #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25 #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5 #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F ------------------ ------------------ 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1193 Ase-way-nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b 1850 M Fam #529 #1194 Tissy-chau-er Wife b 1854 F #1195 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1196 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #529.75 #1197 Mary Asewaynah [sic, no hyphens or spaces] Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1198 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son b 1915 M #1190 Caroline Bosin Dau b 1917 F #1200 Eleanor Bosin Dau b 1919 F #1201 Henry Asewaynah [sic] (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.5 #1202 Verbera [Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F #1204 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.25 #1205 Bertie Asewaynah [sic] Wife b 1892 F #1206 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1204 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F ------------------- 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 4, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82 Fisher, Rudolph Head Owns $800 M White 77 Married at age 25 Texas Texas Texas [last 2 shoudl be Germany] Fisher, Indian [sic] Wife F Ind 65 Married at age 16 None [?] Mixed Blood Comanche [Race instead of place is rptd] Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 28 Married [husband not rptd here] OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Berdina Granddau F Ind 4yrs6mos OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Walter Jr Grandson M Ind 2yrs2mos Single OK Mixed Blood Comanche
1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tex Germany Germany Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Okla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Margaret in genealogies, b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Maried Tex Tex Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tex Germany Germany Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Okla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Lottie or Margaret in genealogies, b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Maried Tex Tex Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) 1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ? Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850] Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854] Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher F Dau age 11 [b 1894] Roll #1125 Willie Fisher M Son age 8 [b 1897] ** Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997] ** Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher FDau age 4 [b 1901] Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905] 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue 1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Page 50 Current #1144 Last #1141 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt 1850] M #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M ** #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 [b 1996] F ** #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Head b abt 1850 M #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F In 1917, Mary is living next to her parents, but it appears her husband has died. She is alone with her two children. They are still living in traditional fashion in their family group. They have been joined by Bertie's husband, Len Parker, one of Quanah Parker's sons. The gfirst child, named Augusta, is described with conflicting designations, a Son, but Female. This seems to be resolved in the 1920 census below. ------------------ 1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529 #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son [sic] b 1915 F #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr Dau b 1917 F #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25 #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5 #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F ------------------ In the 1917 census, Mary's child Augusta Bosin Jr was reported as a Son but Female. The female form of the name made it appear that this was a daughter. In the 1920 census, conflicting designations are resolved to identify the child as a Male, even though the name is Augusta. Mary's white husband is not included in this family list. But another daughter has been born since the 1917 census. ------------------ 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1193 Ase-way-nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b 1850 M Fam #529 #1194 Tissy-chau-er Wife b 1854 F #1195 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1196 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #529.75 #1197 Mary Asewaynah [sic, no hyphens or spaces] Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1198 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son b 1915 M #1190 Caroline Bosin Dau b 1917 F #1200 Eleanor Bosin Dau b 1919 F #1201 Henry Asewaynah [sic] (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.5 #1202 Verbera [Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F #1204 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.25 #1205 Bertie Asewaynah [sic] Wife b 1892 F #1206 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1204 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F ------------------
1860 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 20 July, Precinct 3, PO Fredericksburg, page 32, Hse #285, Fam #267 Fischer, Gottlieb 46 M Farmer $400 Real Estate #800 Personal born Wurtemberg Fischer, Sophie 32 F born Prussia Fischer, Rosa 5 M born Tex 1870 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 13 August, Pedernales Settlements, PO Fredericksburg, page 70, Hse #461, Fam #468 Fischer, Gottl 56 M W Farmer $400 Real Estate $350 Personal born Wurtemberg Fischer, Sophia 40 F W Keeping House born France Fischer, Bertha 17 F W born Texas Fischer, Rosa 15 F W born Texas Fischer, Arthur 12 M W born Texas 1880 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 7 June, Precinct 2, District 62, page 9, Hse #75, Fam #76 Fischer, Gottlieb W M 66 Head Taylor [sic] Wurtemberg Wurtemberg Wurtemberg [b abt 1814] Fischer, Sophie W F 51 Wife Keeping House born Elsase [sic] Elsas Elsas [b abt 1829] Fischer, Rosa W F 25 Dau Tex Wurtemberg Elsas [Alsace] Fischer, Arthur W M 21 Son Tex Wurtemberg Elsas ---------------------- Rosa K. Fischer Rabke Birth May 30, 1855 Gillespie County, Texas Death Jul. 17, 1942, Fredericksburg, Gillespie County, Texas Parents: Gottlieb Theophil Fischer (1813 - 1894) Sophie Schertz Fischer (1828 - 1917) Spouse Otto C. Rabke (1854 - 1935) Children: Sophie Rabke McDougall (1884 - 1979) Alfred August Rabke (1886 - 1958) Arthur Otto Carl Rabke (1888 - 1970) Burial Der Stadt Friedhof Cemetery, Fredericksburg, Gillespie County, Texas Created by Terry Teague Jul 15, 2007 -- Find A Grave Memorial #20461426, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=20461426 ----------------------
1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ? Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850] Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854] Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher F Dau age 11 [b 1894] Roll #1125 Willie Fisher M Son age 8 [b 1897] Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997] Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher FDau age 4 [b 1901] Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905]
Rudolph Fischer's parents immigrated from the Prussian Empire in July 1851 to settle Fredericksburg, in Gillespie County, Texas. Rudolph was born soon afterwards and in the 1860 census, he is reported to be 8 years old, thus born about 1852. 1860 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 20 July, Precinct 3, PO Fredericksburg, page 32, Hse #285, Fam #267 Fischer, Gottlieb 46 M Farmer $400 Real Estate #800 Personal born Wurtemberg Fischer, Sophie 32 F born Prussia Fischer, Rudolph 8 M born Texas Attended School within the year Fischer, Beta [Berta, Bertha] 6 M born Texas Fischer, Rosa 5 M born Tex Fischer, Arthur 3 M born Tex Rudolph "Ase-way-nah, Gray Blanket" Fischer Birth 12 Jan 1852 in Gillespie County, Texas Death 13 April 1941 in Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma Buried at Fisher Family Cemetery Parents: Gottlieb Fischer 1813 - 1894 Sophie Schertz 1828 - 1917 -- Paula's Tree, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/5319081/person/-1469462696?ssrc=&ml_rpos=9&ftm=1 Rudolph was stolen by the Indians while he was walking alone away for the home, around 1862. He was raised from then as a Comanche. He was released in 1877, but after a visit home he decided to stay with the Comanches, and married a Comanche woman. ------------------------- Rudolph Fischer, Indian captive karlaschooley1 23 Jul 2011 4:45PM Rudolph Fischer was my Great, Great Grandfather. My Grandfather was Randlett Myers, son of James and Lena (Fischer) Myers. My Grandfather was born at Fisher Farms near Apache, OK and is buried in Apache, OK. poodlelvr (View posts) 24 Jul 2011 11:59AM I'm researching the Daniel Line this week I found out that James & Eliza Daniel's daughter Elizabeth married a man name Ezekiel Fuller and their son Frank H. Fuller married Sophie Fischer who is Rudolph Fischer and Tes-at-shona daughter. Do you know if Rudolph and his wife are related to Quanah Parker...? Thanks, Cathie Daniel Cathie, two of Rudolph Fischer's daughters by Kahchacha (Bertie and Helen) married two of Quanah Parker's sons (Len and Thomas). Everything that I was able to learn about Fischer I incorporated into my book "The Captured." Scott Zesch -- Ancestry Discussion Boards, "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive," http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=717&p=surnames.fischer ------------------------- Rudolph appears in the 1900 census in Oklahoma Territory, on the Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Reservation with two Comanche wives. He himself is reported as a Comanche Indian with two white parents. There are not enough children reported here of ages and names to match the children of the two wives reported in genealogies. The first wife, married to Rudolph for 21 years, is here named Tis set see or similar, whereas family sources report her as Tissey Chau er. At least one genealogy, however, reports these as two separate wives. This seems to be correct, since the ages are different: Tis set sie b May 1862, cf Dussit-sie-wee in 1910 age 45 b abt 1865). Tisseychauer is so reported in the 1905 Indian Rolls, where the names have been typed out and are readable. But in the 1910 census the only wife reported is Dussit Sie Wee. The handwriting in this 1900 census is about the worst I have ever found in the censuses, and they can be pretty bad. The names have been transcribed various ways, few of which match names given in genealogies. Most genealogies, further, fail to give documentation, or provide documentation that does not match the names they report. The second wife's name here is unreadable, and Ancestry interprets it as Awanata. She is always reported as Ka cha cha in genealogies, and named so by writer Scott Zesch, who has interviewed most members of the family and others, and written a definitive book on Rudolph and his family. 1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tex Germany Germany Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Okla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Margaret in genealogies, b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Maried Tex Tex Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) 1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ? Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850] Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854] Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher F Dau age 11 [b 1894] Roll #1125 Willie Fisher M Son age 8 [b 1897] Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997] Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher FDau age 4 [b 1901] Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905] 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Lena Dau W Ind 29 Marriage 1 Married 13 years [husband not in household] 5 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue - page 3A - Myers, Mina Granddau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Randlett Grandson M Ind 9 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Rudolph M Grandson M Ind 4 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Myers, Catherine Granddau F Ind 1 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue There was also a Comanche census the same year, on the 30th of June. 1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F Rudolph's daughter Bertie is living still next door with her son Joe. 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # #1154 #1147 Bertie A se way nah Fisher Mother age 20 [b 1892] F #1155 #1148 Joe Wer ya vah Son age -- [b 1912] M 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page 50 Current #1144 Last #1141 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt 1850] M #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 [b 1896] F #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F Rudolph's daughter Bertie is still next door with her son. 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page 50 #1150 #1147 Bertie A se way nah Fisher Mother age 21 [b 1892] F #1151 #1148 Joe Wer ya vah Son age 1 [b 1912] M In 1914, Henry is also listed in his separate household, without a wife reported. He is listed between his parents and his sister Bertie and her son. 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Head b abt 1850 M #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1146 #1169 Mamie Fisher [Fos] Dau b 1905 F 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 #1143 #1170 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son Hse #529.25 b 1896 M 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 45 #1147 #1171 Bertie Ase way nah Hse #529.5 Head b 1892 M #1148 #1172 Joe Wer ya vah b 1912 --------------------------- 1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529 #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son [sic] b 1915 F #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr Dau b 1917 F #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25 #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5 #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F --------------------------- In the 1917 census, Mary's child Augusta Bosin Jr was reported as a Son but Female. With the female form of the name, it appeared that this was a daughter. The conflicting designations made it uncertain which of those designations was correct. In the 1920 census, the two dsignations are consistent to identify the child as a Male, even though the name is Augusta. Mary's white husband is not included in this family list. But we see another child has been born since the 1917 census. --------------------------- 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1193 Ase-way-nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b 1850 M Fam #529 #1194 Tissy-chau-er Wife b 1854 F #1195 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1196 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #529.75 #1197 Mary Asewaynah [sic, no hyphens or spaces] Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1198 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son b 1915 M #1190 Caroline Bosin Dau b 1917 F #1200 Eleanor Bosin Dau b 1919 F #1201 Henry Asewaynah [sic] (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.5 #1202 Verbera [Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F #1204 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.25 #1205 Bertie Asewaynah [sic] Wife b 1892 F #1206 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1204 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F --------------------------- In 1930, Rudolph is living next door to his son Henry with his wife Agnes and theri chidlren,. They are reported that year in both the US census and the Comanche census. 1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page # #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife #289 Fisher, Verbena F age 13 Comanche Single Dau #290 Fisher, Bernice F 11 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche 1/4 Dau Single 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 4, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82 Fisher, Rudolph Head Owns $800 M White 77 Married at age 25 Texas Texas Texas [last 2 shoudl be Germany] Fisher, Indian [sic, Age matches Dussit-si-wee] Wife F Ind 65 Married at age 16 None [?] Mixed Blood Comanche [Race instead of place is rptd] Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 28 Married [husband not rptd here] OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Berdina Granddau F Ind 4yrs6mos OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Walter Jr Grandson M Ind 2yrs2mos Single OK Mixed Blood Comanche - Hse/Fam #82 - Fisher, Henry [son of Rudolph] Head Owns $4 M Ind 34 Married at age 18 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer Fisher, Agnes Wife F Ind 37 Married at age [not rptd] OK Mixed Blood Caddo - page 5B - Fisher, Verbena Dau F In 11 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Bernice Son M In 10 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Jeanie Dau M In 5 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Ketch, George Boarder M In 45 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer
There are uncertainties about Dorcas and her husband, presented by several poorly-documented genealogies as Richard Gregory. Two versions of transcriptions of a marriage seem to refer to them, but the variations of Richard's last name may indicate that this was a different family lineage from the Gregory lineages of Virginia, North Carlina and neighboring states, many of whom appear to be kin, but connections have not been confirmed. The name Gregory is derived from an ancient Greek name, which means Swift or Adept, the name Gregory is associated with ethnic variations like McGregor, MacGregory, and spelled as Grigory and other variations, in various records or informal references, so there is nothing definitive about the name variations in the marriage records below. Insufficient information is included to clearly document identities. One old publication has some partial information that notes the compiler (or informant) says they think Dorcas had two children. the genealogies usually have four names, which have been somewhat documented. We have been able to well-document a son Philip, but clear documentation of his parentage is weak. Some details have been found on others, but it is uncertain this is the same family indicated, and clear parental relationship has not been established. John Philip Fishback Born 1728, Died May 1819, aged 91, in Fauquier Co VA. Will probated in that county 28 June 1819; he was a physician Married Jane Reed Daughter Dorcas Fishback, m[arried, husband not reported] Think she had two children Richard Gregory, No vital details Parents: George Washington Gregory 1790- Mary Hawkins Marriage 25 AUG 1817 Fauquier County, Va to Dorcas Fishback (1781-) Birth of Son Phillip Gregory 09-09-1818 Virginia Other Children, no dates or details: Miranda Gregory James Gregory George Gregory William Gregory Death of Son Phillip Gregory October 1895 Bell County, Texas -- Carolyn Cooper, Ancestry, http://person.ancestry.com/tree/82712569/person/48465427962/facts?ftm=1 Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1740-1850 Darcus Fishback Spouse Name Richard Megrigory (?) Marriage 25 Aug 1817 Fauquier County, Virginia (no image available to confirm) Steve Squier did an analysis of the early censuses on the family of Richard Gregory. -------------------- Censuses of 1810, 1830, and 1840 for Richard's household (the 1820 census of Tennessee being lost). Here is how I propose to account for the tally-marks in each of those years: 1810 Fauquier Co., VA male 26-44 = Richard Gregory female 26-44 = Lucretia Jones female <10 = Sarah Ann Gregory (b. ~1807 VA) male <10 = an unidentified son (b. 1801-1810) [appears to be William, based on later discoveries by Steve] female <45 = an elderly relative female <45 = an elderly relative 1830 Jefferson Co., TN male 40-49 = Richard Gregory female 40-49 = Dorcas Fishback [note that Sarah Ann is out of the household, having been married the previous February] male 20-29 = unidentified son (b. 1801-1810) [William] male 15-19 = Few H. Gregory (b. ~1813 VA) male 10-14 = Phillip Gregory (b. ~1817 VA) female 10-14 = Lucretia Gregory (b. ~1819 TN) female 5-9 = Mary Jane Gregory (b. ~1820 TN) female 5-9 = Susan Gregory (b. ~1821 TN) male 5-9 = James Henry Gregory (b. Apr 1826 TN) male 60-69 = an elderly relative female 60-69 = an elderly relative 1840 Jefferson Co., TN male 50-59 = Richard Gregory female 50-59 = Dorcas Fishback [the unidentified son and Few are now out of the household, Few having been married in 1834] male 20-29 = Phillip Gregory (b. ~1817 VA) female 20-29 = Lucretia Gregory (b. ~1819 TN) female 20-29 = Mary Jane Gregory (b. ~1820 TN) female 15-19 = Susan Gregory (b. ~1821 TN) male 15-19 = James Henry Gregory (b. Apr 1826 TN) female 5-9 = Cynthia Gregory (b. ~1831/32 TN) -- Steve Squier, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 23 August 2017 -------------------- U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Darcus Fishback Spouse Name Richard Megrig Mcgrigory Marriage 1817 VA
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 John Philip Fishback Birth Year 1728 Jane Reed Marriage 1778 Virginia
North Carolina, Birth Indexes, 1800-2000 Alfred Evoid Fisher White Male Birth 19 May 1933 North Brock, Lincoln County Father Charles Fisher Mother R Dedmon Volume 20, page 521 The memorial on Finda Grave for Alfred is somewhat confused. It includes his obituary form the local Shelby Star. The obit reports that he died on Friday Sept 30, but Thursday was the 29th. His grave also has Sept 30, but the memorial reprots the date as 29 September 2010. The obit was published on Sunday 3 October, and reprots the funeral would be on Monday (4 October 2010). Social Security records report his date of death as 30 September 2010. ------------- Alfred Evoid Fisher Birth May 19, 1933 Death Sep 29, 2010 [Grave & death record have Sept 30] LAWNDALE - Alfred Evoid Fisher, 77, 102 Leaflock Lane, went home to be with the Lord Friday, Sept. 30, 2010 [Sept 30 was Friday], at Cleveland Regional Medical Center, Shelby. Born in Lincoln County on May 19, 1933, he was a son of the late Charles Lester Fisher and Martha Roxanna Dedmon Fisher. He was a member of Plainsview Baptist Church. He retired as a self-employed house painter. He served in the U.S. Army. In addition to his parents, he also preceded in death by his first wife, Florence Fisher and his second wife, Lola Mae Fisher; two brothers, R.F. Fisher and Forrest Fisher and a sister, Mary Lou Seagle. He is survived by a son, Johnny Fisher and his wife, Barbara of Fallston; a sister, Elsie Fisher of Lincolnton; two grandchildren Rocki Smith and husband Johnathan and Katie Pressley and one great-grandchild, Aurora Smith. Visitation One hour prior to the service at the church Funeral Monday [4 Oct 2010], 3 p.m. at Plainsview Baptist Church Officiated by The Rev Jerry Lail Burial Plainsview Baptist Church Memorials Plainsview Baptist Church 266 Plainsview Church Road, Lawndale NC 28090. Funeral home Stamey Funeral Home Published in Shelby Star on [Sunday] October 3, 2010 Parents: Charles Lester Fisher (1895 - 1972) Martha Roxanna Dedmon Fisher (1892 - 1971) Spouses: Florence Elizabeth Brittain Fisher (1934 - 1995) Lola Mae Childers Fisher (1924 - 2005) Son Johnny Evoid Fisher (1954 - 2015) Siblings: Rufus Franklin Fisher (1921 - 1997) Forest Lee Fisher (1925 - 1971) Mary Lou Fisher Seagle (1929 - 2005) Charles Lester Fisher (1931 - 1933) Burial Plainsview Baptist Cemetery, Lawndale, Cleveland County, North Carolina Created by Brenda Kale Ballard Oct 03, 2010 -- Find A Grave Memorial #59547117, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=59547117 -------------
A niece of Bernice, Susanne Christian Uno, tells me that Bernice had an Irish ancestor, who had been kidnapped as a boy and raised by the Indians. Family information indicates that Bernice is from a Comanche and Caddo background. I remember Bernice used to sign their Christmas cards "Harvey, Bernice and the tribe." Bernice's name is reported as Farris in her son Vernon's obituary. There is a Nevada marriage record that seems to match her, giving the bride's name as christian (see below). I have not found any information on a divorce from Harvey. "Vernon was born June 16, 1945 in the Lawton, Oklahoma Indian Hospital to Bernice Farris [should be Fisher] and Harvey Christian." -- Obituary of Vernon Garth Christian, Havenbrook Funeral Home (Norman, Oklahoma) Online, March 2007 But a researcher for the Fisher-Christian families tells me her maiden name was Fisher. She included information that matches Susanne Uno's on Bernice, but fills in more detail. Records and family information I have found confirms the Fisher surname, going back to Rudolph Fischer, a German immigrant to Texas who was captured by the Comanches, and chose to remain a Comanche.. "I found your family info on Grover Cleveland Christian/Sallie Hester Jenkins; you show their son Harvey Leon Christian married Bernice Farris (I believe this should be Bernice Fisher). The Bernice Fisher I am researching is the daughter of Henry Asewaynah Fisher and Agnes Sturm. Henry Asewaynah Fisher is the son of Rudolph Fisher (Fischer) and a Comanche woman. This Rudolph Fisher was captured by the Comanches at about age 10 or 12 near Fredericksburg TX; his family were German. Rudolph Fisher was given the name "Grey Blanket" by the Comanches and chose to remain with the Comanches when they were moved from the Brazos Reservation in TX north to Indian Territory in 1859. He chose never to return to his natural family in TX, only a short visit to settle family affairs...Regards, Bee Gossett." -- Email from Bee Gossett to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 14 December 2009 I found another genealogy also reporting the Fisher family of Bernice. Both reported her correctly as married to Harvey Leon Christian, with the correct information to match my cousin Harvey. Only basic information was provided in the genealogies: Bernice Rosella Fisher Birth 24 Oct 1919 in Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma Death May 1997 in Norman, Cleveland, Oklahoma Spouse Harvey Christian abt 1919-1987 -- Hodge Wilson Christian, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/7415615/person/-1098236794 Bernice Rosella Fisher Birth 24 Oct 1919 in Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma Death May 1997 in Norman, Cleveland, Oklahoma Parents Henry "Asewaynah, Willie" Fisher 1896-1982, Agnes E. Sturm 1894-1956 Spouse Harvey Leon Christian 1915-1987; -- Gossett Family Tree, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/6672623/person/-1248314172 One genealogy reports her place of birth as Caddo, in Caddo County, Oklahoma, not Anadarko in the same county. However, the family was living in Comanche County at the time of her birth. Bernice's Social Security record, however, reports her birthplace as Apache in Comanche County, Oklahoma, matching the 1920 census reprot of her as a 2-month-old infant in her father's household in Chandler township of Comanche County. 1920 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 19 January, Chandler Township, District 113, parker RR Section, page 4B, Hse #76, Fam #77 Fisher, Henry C Head Owns M In 23 OK TX OK Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 23 OK OK OK Fisher, Anita B Dau F In 2yrs5mos OK OK OK Fisher, Bernice Dau F In 2mos TX OK OK OK Bernice was enumerated in the 1920, 1930 and 1937 Indian Census Rolls. In 1920 and 1930 her father is reported as 1/2 Comanche. Her mother is not reported in 1920 or 1937, which normally indicates she was white. But in 1930 she was reported as Wichita. In 1930 percentages of blood are reported as 1/4 for all. Since the parents are of different Nations, this must mean percentage of Native Nation of any kind, which seems odd. In the 1920 Comanche rolls, Henry's wife Agnes is not listed with Henry and the children. This is probably because she is a Wichita. Henry is listed under his Comanche name, Asewaynah, but his daughters surname is reported as the English translation Fisher. 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No Page # #1201 Henry Asewaynah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M Fam # 529 1/2 blood #1202 Verbera [mistranscription: Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F 1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No Page # #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife #289 Fisher, Verbena F age 13 Comanche Single Dau #290 Fisher, Bernice F 11 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche 1/4 Dau Single Bernice attended "Riverside Indian School, Anadarko, Oklahoma, and Chilocco Indian School" -- Sally Sue Christian Morris, Ancestry Comment, 17 Nov 2010, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/3499392/person/-1341154070/comments?pg=32768&pgpl=pid "In, 1871, Jonathan Richards, the first Reservation Agent, with A.J. Standing, organized the first school at the Old Wichita Indian Agency Commissary. After much bribing, only eight students wearing traditional clothing, moccasins and braids laid the foundation for Riverside Indian School." -- Ref History of the Riverside Indian School, http://www.ris.bie.edu/history.html "Chilocco Indian School was an agricultural school for Native Americans located in north-central Oklahoma from 1884 to 1980. It was located approximately 20 miles north of Ponca City, Oklahoma and seven miles north of Newkirk, Oklahoma, near the Kansas border. The name "Chilocco" is apparently derived from a Muscogee word meaning "big deer" or horse." -- "Chilocco Indian Agricultural School," Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilocco_Indian_Agricultural_School 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 5, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82 Fisher, Henry Head Owns M In 34 Married at age 18 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer, Indian Home Fisher, Agnes Wife F In 37 Married at age -- OK Mixed Blood Caddo - page 5B - Fisher, Bernice Son M In 10 OK Mixed Blood Comanche The 1937 census adds a year for birth. Percentages of blood are now reported as 1/2. 1937 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, Page 22 #284 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M Born 1894 age 40 Comanche 1/2 Married Head Last census #271 #285 Fisher, Verbena F b 1917 age 19 Comanche Single Dau #272 #286 Fisher, Bernice F b 1919 18 Comanche 1/2 Single Dau #273 #287 Asewaynah, Geneice F b 1925 12 Comanche 1/2 Dau Single #274 #288 Asewaynah, Henry Rudolph M 1930 67 Comanche 1/2 Son Single #275 #289 Fisher, Johnnie Allison M 1933 3 Comanche 1/2 Son #276 In about 1938, Bernice married Harvey Christian. Their first child was born about 1939. But in the 1940 census, there is a listing for what appears to be this same Bernice reported as single and working in the Morgan household in Delaware County, Oklahoma. It was deteremined in 2019 that this is a record for a different individual. A record was found only in 2019 for Bernice and her husband Harvey Christian in the 1940 census in Whittier, California. 1940 Federal Census, Los Angeles County, California, 11 April, Whittier City, Enumeration District 19-818, Page 4B, 177 North Brighton St, Hse #120, rents $25 Christian, Harvey Head M W 24 Married Grade C2 b Oklahoma Anadarko, Caddo Co Oklahoma in 1935 Garage Machinist [b abt 1916] Christian, Bernice Wife F Ind 20 Married Grade H4 b Oklahoma Anadarko, Caddo Co Oklahoma in 1935 [b abt 1920] U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947 Harvey Leon Christian Age 24 Birth 31 Dec 1915 Mountain View, Oklahoma, USA Residence Whittier, Los Angeles, California, USA Employer: Richard E Lester 5' 10", 145 lbs, Brown Eyes, Black Hair, Dark Complexion Next of Kin Bernice Rosella Christian (wife) Registration 16 October 1940 Whittier, Los Angeles, California, USA The following Social Security record matches other details known for Bernice Fisher Christian. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 Bernice Rosella Christian [Bernice Ros Farris] [Bernice Farris] [Bernice Rosella Fisher] Birth 24 Oct 1919 Apache, Comanche, Oklahoma Death Date 4 May 1997 Claim Date 13 May 1977 Father Henry A Fisher Mother Agnes H Sturm SSN 555304031 Death Certificate #97-12565 Jan 1943 Name listed as BERNICE ROSELLA CHRISTIAN; Oct 1973 Name listed as BERNICE ROS FARRIS; 11 Feb 1977 Name listed as HARRIS BERNICE; 24 Jul 1997 Name listed as BERNICE FARRIS ---------------- Bernice Rosella Fisher and Harvey Leon Christian ... divorced and both remarried, producing no new offspring. Only the youngest two daughters are living, both in Norman. 1. Grover Cleveland Christian (1940-2012) married Martha Joyce Hodge (b. 1940), producing three children: Scott (b. 1961), Steven (b.1962) and Jeffrey (born circa 1966 and died circa 1994) 2. Patrician Ann Christian-Young-Keesee (1941-2005) married Richard Lee Young (I don't remember him) producing three living children: Richard, Jr. (b. April 14, 1965), Edward (born circa 1966), and Gaylon (born 1970). 3. Richard Donald Christian (1943-2015) married Pearl Gould (b. 1942). He has four living offspring, I think all of whom are from Pearl. I've met them all, but did not grow up with them, so haven't mastered the dates. They are Richard Christian, Jr., Nadine Christian, Julene Christian-Todd, and Shelley Christian-Chamberlain. 4. Vernon Garth Christian (1945-2007) married Donna Pigorsch (will have to track down dates and maiden name. Pigorsch was previous marriage, I believe). Aunt Donna had two older children (Ronnie and Christina), who were raised by Uncle Vernon but not his offspring. Together, Uncle Vernon and Aunt Donna produced two living children together: Vernon Garth Christian, Jr. (b. 1972) and Brenda Ranelle Christian-Hogue-Mitchell (born circa 1979). 5. Mary Sue Christian (b. 1948) married Larry Varner (b. 1946) producing two living children: Larry, Jr. (b. 1970) and Jan Varner - Serrate (b. 1971) 6. Sally Sue Christian-McDonald-Morris (b. February 16, 1953) married Robert Lynn McDonald (b. December 14, 1940), producing two children together: Robert Lynn McDonald, Jr (b. April 14, 1969) and myself: David Benjamin McDonald, Sr. (b. April 23, 1971). -- David McDonald, Sr, Geneanet Messaging to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 28 December 2019 ---------------- U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 Bernice Farris Born 24 Oct 1919 Died 4 May 1997 Last Residence Norman, Cleveland, Oklahoma 73071 SSN 555-30-4031 issued California (Before 1951) Bernice Rosella Fisher Birth Oct 24, 1919 Death May 4, 1997 Burial Memory Lane Cemetery, Anadarko, Caddo County, Oklahoma Created by Cokeman 2 Jan 12, 2011 -- Find A Grave Memorial #64100260, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64100260
Both the name Fisher and the name Asewaynah come form Geniece's grandfather, Rudolph Fischer, a German immigrant's child who was captured by Comanches as a child and raised as a Comanche. He decided to remain with the tribe and culture, and was given the name Asewaynah by the Comanches, according to a family tradition prominently discussed on genealogy sites. and in genealogies. Asewayna means Gray Blanket, according to these sources. 1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No Page # #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 5, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82 Fisher, Henry Head Owns M In 34 Married at age 18 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer, Indian Home Fisher, Agnes Wife F In 37 Married at age -- OK Mixed Blood Caddo - page 5B - Fisher, Jeanie [Geniece] Dau M In 5 OK Mixed Blood Comanche 1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma, 10 April, District 8-54, Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns Fisher, Henry A Head F In 44 Married Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 43 Married Grade 8 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, Genece A Dau F In 15 Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Genice Fisher Benally Birth 1925 Death 1968 Burial Fort Cobb Cemetery, Fort Cobb, Caddo County, Oklahoma Created by Nancy Charlton Apr 10, 2011 -- Find A Grave Memorial #68163222, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Fisher&GSiman=1&GScid=98458&GRid=68163222&
------------------------- Cathie, two of Rudolph Fischer's daughters by Kahchacha (Bertie and Helen) married two of Quanah Parker's sons (Len and Thomas). Everything that I was able to learn about Fischer I incorporated into my book "The Captured." Scott Zesch -- Ancestry Discussion Boards, "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive," http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/surnames.fischer/717.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx ------------------------- Helen Marie may be the same child as reported in the 1900 census as what appears to be Nis, age 1. There is also a daughter named Maree (Marie?), but she was reported as only 3 months old in June 1900. 1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tribe/Birth Place Comanche/Tex White/Germany White/Germany Blood: White Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living Comanche/TX Comanche/TX TComanche/X 0% White Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living Comanche/TX Comanche/TX Comanche/TX 0% White Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Lottie or Margaret in genealogies, b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian ** Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/2 White Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Comanche/Okla Territory White/Tex Comanche/Tex 1/4 White Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Maried White/Okla Territory White/Tex White/Tex White Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue HELEN FISCHER Birth 14 Jun 1897 in OKLAHOMA Death Dec 1989 in Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma Father: Rudolph "Ase-way-nah, Gray Blanket" Fischer 1852 - 1941 Spouse: Thomas Parker Birth 15 October 1889 in OKLAHOMA Death Jul 1975 in Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma -- Paula's Tree, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/5319081/person/-1469463991 U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current Helen Parker Last Residence 73006 Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma BORN 14 Jun 1897 Died Dec 1989 SSN 445-64-6779 issued Oklahoma (1973) -------------------- Helen Marie Fisher Parker Birth Jun. 14, 1897 Apache, Caddo County, Oklahoma Death Dec. 31, 1989 Lawton, Comanche County, Oklahoma [Obit says a nursing home in Lawton, Comanche County, Oklahoma] The Lawton Constitution Jan 1, 1990, page 1 APACHE -- Funeral for Helen Marie Fisher Parker, 92, Apache, will be at 10 a.m. Wednesday in the Mother of Sorrows Catholic Church with the Rev. Larry Kowalski officiating. Mrs. Parker died Sunday [December 31, 1989] in a Lawton nursing home. Burial will be in the Cache Creek Indian Cemetery under the direction of Crews Funeral Home. A rosary service will be at 7 p.m. Tuesday in the Crews Funeral Home Chapel. She was born June 14, 1897, south of Apache. She married Thomas Titah Parker April 7, 1919 in Oklahoma City. He died July 9, 1975. She was a housewife. She was a member of the Mother of Sorrows Catholic Church and the Mother of Sorrows Altar Society. Survivors include four sons: Bill, Hobart; Elmer, Boise, Idaho; Charles, Lubbock, Texas; and Henry, Apache; two daughters, Teresa Parker, Amarillo, Texas; and Ruth Lynn, Euless, Texas; a sister, Margaret Molina, Chickasha; 20 grandchildren, 31 great-grandchildren and many nieces and nephews. Spouse Thomas Parker (1889 - 1975) Children: Teresa Ann Parker Boles (1927 - 2013) Henry Leon Parker (1930 - ____) Ruth Parker Lynn (1932 - 2004) Burial Cache Creek Cemetery, Caddo County, Oklahoma Created by Cokeman2 Jul 28, 2010 -- Find A Grave Memorial #55558824, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55558824 --------------------
"Henry Asewaynah Fisher is the son of Rudolph Fisher (Fischer) and a Comanche woman. This Rudolph Fisher was captured by the Comanches at about age 10 or 12 near Fredericksburg TX; his family were German. Rudolph Fisher was given the name 'Grey Blanket' by the Comanches." -- Bee Gossett, Email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 14 December 2009 --------------------- Re: Rudolph Fischer, Indian captive szesch (View posts) Posted: 24 Jul 2011 7:46AM Classification: Query Cathie, two of Rudolph Fischer's daughters by Kahchacha (Bertie and Helen) married two of Quanah Parker's sons (Len and Thomas). Everything that I was able to learn about Fischer I incorporated into my book "The Captured." Scott Zesch -- Ancestry Discussion Boards, "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive," http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/surnames.fischer/717.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx --------------------- 1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270 Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tex Germany Germany Farm & Stock Rents Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living TX TX TX Ration Indian Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Okla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian ** Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Lottie or Margaret in genealogies, b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Married Tex Tex Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian) Henry Asewaynah Willie Fisher Birth 17 Nov 1896 in Oklahoma Death 17 Nov 1982 in Hospital, Region Metropolitana, Chile Spouse Agnes E Sturm Birth Aug 1894 Death 5 Sep 1956 in Caddo, Caddo, Oklahoma Daughter Bernice Rosella Fisher 1919 - 1997 -- Jenkins Tree, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/12937486/person/99666373 1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ? Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850] Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854] Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher F Dau age 11 [b 1894] Roll #1125 Willie Fisher M Son age 8 [b 1897] Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997] Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher FDau age 4 [b 1901] Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905] 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17 Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853] English mother tongue Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue ** Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue In the 1910 census, Rudolph was enumerated in the household of his wife Tissy Chau er with the same set of children. 1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page # #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, page 50 Current #1144 Last #1141 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt 1850] M #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 b 1896 F #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F In 1914, Henry has moved out next door. He is enumerated as a separate household, but there is no wife, just him. He is now listed between Rudolph and Bertie's household. 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Head b abt 1850 M #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1146 #1169 Mamie Fisher [Fos] Dau b 1905 F 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44 #1143 #1170 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son Hse #529.25 b 1896 M 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 45 #1147 #1171 Bertie Ase way nah Hse #529.5 Head b 1892 M #1148 #1172 Joe Wer ya vah b 1912 In 1917, the Fisher family list has grown with the addition of Len Ne hi o Parker, one of Quanah Parker's sons, who has married Bertie A se way nah Fisher. In these censuses Henry's wife does not appear, probably because she is Caddo, not Comanche. The 1930 census reports Agnes' father was a Caddo, and her mother of Mixed Blood. However, in the Comanche census of 1930, she is reported as Wichita. So perhaps her mother was Mixed Blood Wichita. I dio not have Agnes' parents information. ------------------ 1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529 #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8 #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr Son [sic] b 1915 F #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr Dau b 1917 F #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25 #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5 #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1915 F ------------------ 1920 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 19 January, Chandler Township, District 113, parker RR Section, page 4B, Hse #76, Fam #77 Fisher, Henry C Head Owns M In 23 OK TX OK Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 23 OK OK OK Fisher, Anita B Dau F In 2yrs5mos OK OK OK Fisher, Bernice Dau F In 2mos TX OK OK OK In the 1920 Comanche rolls, Henry's wife Agnes is not listed with Henry and the children. This is probably because she is a Wichita. Henry is listed under his Comanche name, Asewaynah, from his father's name given by the Comanches, meaning Gray Blanket. But his daughters are reported under the English name from Henry's father, Fisher, originally the German Fischer. Later children were listed under the Comanche surname. In the US Federal censuses, the English name is always used. 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page # #1201 Henry Asewaynah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M Fam # 529 1/2 blood #1202 Verbera [mistranscription: Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F 1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page # #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife #289 Fisher, Verbena F age 13 Comanche Single Dau #290 Fisher, Bernice F 11 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche 1/4 Dau Single There was a great discrepancy about who should be listed and who was listed in the various Indian tribal rolls. A good summary of factors in provided by the University of Indiana on this topic. Following is an excerpt on some notable people who were included or excluded in the Comanche rolls. -------------------- The Comanche Census Lists The earliest extant name-based Comanche censuses are from July 1876, recording the Penateka local bands of Tosawa and Asehabit, residents of the Wichita Reservation north of the Washita River at modern Anadarko.The lists are by head of extended family under the two chiefs, and show a total of 166 people in twenty-four families. The earliest extant name-based list for the rest of the Comanches is from 1879. It is ordered by the heads of nuclear households. ... It listed 1,427 people under 602 heads of families under 41 "chiefs". But although the Kiowa and Wichita Agencies were consolidated in 1879, it did not include the Penatekas at the Wichita Agency. They were not included in the Comanche totals until 1885. There are similar lists for 1880, 1881, and 1883. The earliest name by name is list from 1885, but it is problematic. There are only some 912 names are on it, and several whole bands were excluded. There are more comprehensive name-by-name censuses for 1889, 1892, and 1895--the last year the censuses were listed by "bands" under "chiefs" -- and annually for the years thereafter through 1939. After 1929, the lists are alphabetical by the surname of the head of the family, although spouses continued to be listed with their own surname. Even as listings of individuals, there are pitfalls in using the lists. First, there is the simple problem of misnumbering; the handwritten 1895 list has a total of 1507, a figure also used in the "Recapitulation" at the end. But the list omitted the numbers 1330-1339, so the total is really 1497. Then there is the problem of exactly who is counted. From 1879, a number of non-Comanches were listed. These range from various other Indians, both captives and spouses, to non-Indian captives who remained with the Comanches after capture: Asewaynah was the Texas-German Rudolph Fisher; Waysee, the "oldest Comanche" when he died, was also non-Indian, although his origin is unknown. After the so-called Jerome Allotment Agreement of 1892, a number of other non-Comanches were listed. Some were captives who came back in hopes of getting an allotment; Herman Lehman got on the rolls in 1904, but Bianca Babb was rejected. There were "squaw men," non-Indians who had married Comanches; George Chandler was married to a non-Comanche captive woman. There were hangers-on such as the old interpreter Horace P Jones, and Quanah Parker's handyman, David Grantham. Finally, there is the question of fraud. It is sometimes claimed that people placed dogs in cradleboards to get extra rations or allotments (Jackson 1979:112). While this cannot be ruled out, comparison of the original allotment lists, both the allotment list and the original allotment maps with census lists from both before and after allotment, shows near 100 percent alignment over the next decades: there were no allotments attributed to otherwise unknown individuals. While there are cases of new-borns being listed as "no name" on censuses, in most cases they can be linked to later-named children. -- http://php.indiana.edu/~tkavanag/comtext.htm -------------------- 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 5, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82 Fisher, Henry Head Owns M In 34 Married at age 18 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer, Indian Home Fisher, Agnes Wife F In 37 Married at age -- OK Mixed Blood Caddo - page 5B - Fisher, Verbena Dau F In 11 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Bernice Son M In 10 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Fisher, Jeanie Dau M In 5 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Ketch, George Boarder M In 45 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer The 1937 census adds a year for birth. 1937 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, Page 22 #284 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M Born 1894 age 40 Comanche 1/2 Married Head Last census #271 #285 Fisher, Verbena F b 1917 age 19 Comanche Single Dau #272 #286 Fisher, Bernice F b 1919 18 Comanche 1/2 Single Dau #273 #287 Asewaynah, Geneice F b 1925 12 Comanche 1/2 Dau Single #274 #288 Asewaynah, Henry Rudolph M 1930 67 Comanche 1/2 Son Single #275 #289 Fisher, Johnnie Allison M 1933 3 Comanche 1/2 Son #276 In 1937 Henry is reported as married but his wife is not listed on this census, which would normally indicate she was not an Indian. But in 1930 she was included, reported as a Wichita. The 1930 census reports all children 1/4 blood, the same as both parents, even though one parent is Comanche and one is Wichita. The percentage of Comanche (or any Native?) blood has changed, 1/4 in 1930 and 1/2 in 1937. Note that Henry is reported as 1/2 Indian, matching the family history report that his father was a German captured as a child by the Comanches. But then all his children are also reported as 1/2. If his wife was Comanche, they would be 3/4. The match works in 1930 if by "degree of blood," they mean 1/4 of any Native Nation. If his wife was white, they would be 1/4. But if his wife was half white and half Comanche, then the children could be 1/2 Comanche. But, then, if she was half Comanche, she should also be listed here. Agnes was listed in the 1930 census, why not here? But we saw above that the 1930 census reports that Agnes Sturm was a Wichita Indian. But she is repoted as 1/4 blood. Analyzing the two 1930 records, we see Agnes is reported as a Wichita, and her mother as Mixed Blood and her fther as Caddo. The 1/4 then would mean her mother was half white and half Wichita, her father fullblood Caddo. Thus Agnes is half Caddo and 1/2 Wichita. The census appears to be reporting percentage of Indian blood, but Agnes, who is 3/4 (1/4 Wichita and !/2 Caddo) is reported as 1/4 blood. In some censuses, the percentage of WHITE blood was reported, so maybe the enumerator got confused. In the 1940 census, the enumerator wrote Verbena's name as Berbena. 1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma, 10 April, District 8-54, Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns Fisher, Henry A Head F In 44 Married Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 43 Married Grade 8 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, Berbena A Dau F In 22 Grade H4 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, Genece A Dau F In 15 Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, Henry R Son M In 9 Single Grade 2 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, John E Son M In 7 Single Grade 0 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current Henry Fisher Born 15 Nov 1896 Died Nov 1982 Last Benefit & Residence Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma 73005 SSN 444-26-8701 issued Oklahoma (Before 1951) Gravestone of Henry Asewaynah Willie Fisher and Agnes E Fisher, Ft Cobb Cemetery, Washita County, Oklahoma Fisher, Henry A 17 Nov 1896 17 Nov 1982 Agnes E Aug 1894 Sept 5, 1956 Henry A Fisher Birth Nov 17, 1896 Death Nov 17, 1982 Burial Fort Cobb Cemetery, Fort Cobb, Caddo County, Oklahoma Created by Nancy Charlton Apr 10, 2011 -- Find A Grave Memorial #68163709, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/68163709
1937 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, Page 22 #284 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M Born 1894 age 40 Comanche 1/2 Married Head Last census #271 #288 Asewaynah, Henry Rudolph M 1930 67 Comanche 1/2 Son Single #275 1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma, 10 April, District 8-54, Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns Fisher, Henry A Head F In 44 Married Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 43 Married Grade 8 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, Henry R Son M In 9 Single Grade 2 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 Rudolph Fisher Birth Date 4 Jul 1930 Address 7 R CT 11 E, Anadarko, OK, 73005 183 1/2 MI 1/4 MI SW, Anadarko, OK, 73005 U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current Rudolph Fisher Born 4 Jul 1930 Died 18 Nov 1999 Last Residence Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma 73005 SSN 442-34-1730 issued Oklahoma (1952)
1937 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, Page 22 #284 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry M Born 1894 age 40 Comanche 1/2 Married Head Last census #271 #289 Fisher, Johnnie Allison M 1933 3 Comanche 1/2 Son #276 In the 1940 Federal census, his middle intial is given as E instead of A. 1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma, 10 April, District 8-54, Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns Fisher, Henry A Head F In 44 Married Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Farmer Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 43 Married Grade 8 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Fisher, John E Son M In 7 Single Grade 0 b Oklahoma same county in 1935 Johnny A Fisher Birth Jan. 6, 1933 Death Nov. 11, 1998 Burial Fort Cobb Cemetery, Fort Cobb, Caddo County, Oklahoma Created by Nancy Charlton Apr 10, 2011 -- Find A Grave Memorial #68163713, http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Fisher&GSiman=1&GScnty=2135&GRid=68163713&
Lila had seven children with her husband Arthur Lynch. I do not have all their names or info. I have listed Buck, the youngest, who is in touch with me and provided most of this Lynch family information.