Note that sources indicate that Richard was born n Ireland. I don't know the details behind that, but it is interesting that he established the Le Strange line in Ireland. Eric Winstone of New South Wales, Australia, contributed this information about Richard, son of Thomas Le Strange; "My daughter-in-law's maiden name is L'Estrange, she is descendant from Sir Thomas le Strange (1493-1545) his second eldest son Richard, went to Ireland sometime between 1531 and 1545, and started the L'Estrange family there, living initially at Rosscommon and finally at Moystown and Kilcummin in Kings Co." -- Eric Winstone, Genealogy Website Guest Book Entry, April 2008 The Familypedia article on Richard's father comments on Richard's founding of the Irish branch of the family. Nicholas succeded to his father's titles and distributed the estate to his brothers. "[Sir Thomas Le Strange's] health begun deteriorating at Christmas time 1540, with kidney stones and made him bedridden for weeks. ... a recurrence two years later in 1545 ended his life suddenly. Aged about 51, his will was still incomplete and his natural heir, Sir Nicholas, succeeded him and executed his grants to his brothers in 1547, one of whom was Richard who founded the Irish Moystown Branch." -- Familypedia, http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Thomas_Le_Strange_(1493-1545)
His name is recorded in a summons to Parliament in 25 August 1404 as Richard Straunge. -- Tudorplace Le Strange Genealogy, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm Some sources fail to show Richard in the line of family members inheriting the title of Lord Strange of Knockin. They show John, father of Joan Le Strange, as son of John VIII. Because Tudorplace starts the Barony one generation earlier, it also reports Richard as the 8th Lord Strange of Knockin, whereas I follow what appears to be the more standard reckoning and list him as 7th Lord Strange of Knockin. From this generation the Barony of Strange of Knockin passes into the Stanley family, through Joan Strange, daughter of John son of Richard and Jacquette Woodville, who married George Stanley. Their son Thomas Stanley was the 2nd Earl of Derby and another son James became Marshall of Ireland. Some sources show Joan's father John as the son of John as the daughter of Richard's brother John. The Tudorplace Le Strange Genealogy shows the Barony passing from John to Richard, then to Richard's daughter.
He is styled Robert Le Strange of Elsing, though he was reported by Tudorplace as born in Pakenham (spelled in some sources as Pokenham). The Le Strange website does report him as born in Elsing Hall, but it also reports the other brothers born there, while it appears they were all born in different estates. This matches a common medieval practice of birthing an heir in the estate already designated for that child. There is some confusion between sources over the spouses of Robert and his brother Roger, and the identity of Robert's wife. Tudorplace reports Robert married to Margaret Le Strange (of Westbury, Northamptonshire), while the Le Strange Website reports him married to Anne L'Estrange. The latter appears to be the same Anne Le Strange that the Tudorplace site reports as the wife of brother Roger! But other sources report Roger's wife as Amy Heydon. Further, this Anne is reported to have died in 1497, but Robert's last child, a daughter named Ann, is reported to have been born in 1499. This era abounds with confusions like this. This is, however, one of the best-reported and documented on all sides, making it harder to resolve. Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight) Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir) Mother: Catherine DRURY Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire, England Children: 1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight) 2. Roger Le STRANGE 3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings) 4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE 5. Anne Le STRANGE -- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)1 This source reports Margaret's family as follows: Margaret Le STRANGE Born: ABT 1474, Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England Father: Thomas Le STRANGE Mother: Catherine VAUX Married 1: Edward KNYVETT Married 2: Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight) Children: 1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight) 2. Roger Le STRANGE 3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings) 4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE 5. Anne Le STRANGE -- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Margaret Le STRANGE2 Margaret's parents' information is reported as follows: Thomas Le STRANGE Born: 1451 Father: John Le STRANGE Mother: Dau. BROWSE [?] Married: Catherine VAUX Children: 1. Margaret Le STRANGE 2. Anne Le STRANGE -- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Thomas Le STRANGE4 I cannot clearly identify this Catherine Vaux, and Tudorplace provides no dates or places related to her. The only Catherine Vaux I have in the tree in Anna Catherine Vaux, who married a son of this Sir Robert Le Strange also named Thomas. This sounds suspiciously like generation misplacement! Sorting this out is further a problem because of the pesky recurrence of many of the same names in every generation of almost every noble line we are looking at here! Unfortunately, most "genealogies" don't bother themselves with discussion or documentation, further confusing the picture, when novices repeatedly pick up and further propagate these incorrect or unclarified information. Even formal research sources confuse generations and individuals, due to the incompleteness or unreliability of details so important to us in the modern information era, like dates and places and refined distinctions of designation and details of relationships and identities. The overall picture inclines me toward the view that the mother of Sir Robert Le Strange's daughter Ann was Margaret Le Strange, not Anne L'Estrange. But the picture is still clouded. One genealogy reporting Robert's wife as Margaret Le Strange outline the family as follows: Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight) Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir) Mother: Catherine DRURY Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire, England Children: 1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight) 2. Roger Le STRANGE 3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings) 4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE 5. Anne Le STRANGE -- LeStrange Family, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18820528/person/717597322/media/1?pg= But the Tudorplace genealogy reports that Margaret was married previously. This may support the picture that she was a second wife of Robert Le Strange. Her first husband was Edward Knyvett. Edward KNYVETT Born: ABT 1476, Saltash, Cornwall, England Father: William KNYVETT (Sir Knight) Mother: Alice GREY Married 1: Margaret Le STRANGE Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England Married 2: Anne CALTHORPE -- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/KNYVETT.htm#Edward KNYVETT2 Note here that Edward also had a second wife, so this seems questionable, without some clarification. It is not likely Edward and Margaret could have been granted a divorce by the pope and each one of them be allowed to remarry. Note also that Tudorplace reports her as the mother of all Robert's children, including Ann. So the periods of multiple marriages and births overlap. Some of these dates appears uncertain. Different genealogies report dates or places irregularly and incompletely. There are great variations between sources, and some appear to be uncritical, for there are internal conflicts between the dates reported in some. The Le Strange Family Website lineage is helpful, and I have followed that as a more definitive general guide. I have generally followed that for the location of birth, where that is given. However, that information is quite spotty and has dates and places for only a few persons. Dates there are sometimes estimated, and some information clashes with known historical information from reliable genealogies. The lineage was posted only as a secondary interest, and the site, while giving history, does not focus primarily on the family details. It is primarily a personal hobby site about the family by one of the current family members of another last name. The dates reported by sources give the same year for the marriage of Robert and Anne as for the birth of the first son Thomas.
Roger is styled Roger Le Strange of Hunstanton. He was born, however, in Pakenham, as was his sister Ann. The Le strange website has an early birth date for Roger, 1455, while the Tudorplace source reports a birth year of about 1476. The date of 1455 is before the reported marriage date of his parents. The Le Strange website has no marriage date for the parents. This Roger Le Strange of Hunstanton was "Esquire to the body of Henry VII." -- The Le Strange Website, Descent, http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Seat-H2.htm
Different genealogies differ on the wife of John VI Le Strange. Jamesina Remfry on the Le Strange Website tells us John was married twice, with the first wife being named Maud. The second wife was Joan de Ingham. The Corbet Genealogy shows Joan as the only wife. Remfry shows Maud, the first wife, as the mother of son Roger, and reports no children with Joan. Others report both wives, but show Joan as the mother of son Roger. As with so many others of this era, there are different birth dates reported. Focus in that era was not on such objective details as it has become in the modern western worldview in the last 150 years.
There is a discrepancy of 12 years on the estimated date of marriage of Roger Le Strange 5th Lord Strange of Knockyn to Aleyne fitz Alan. I originally followed the Worldroots Royal Family Genealogy Page source "Descendants of Charlemagne," as it appeared more careful and had more detail than the Le Strange Website, which is a family hobby site and has only bits of information. That Worldroots source is no longer online under that name.
Various historical sources and reconstructions tell us that Roland, or Roald, first established the family known as Le Strange or L'Estrange in Norfolk, England, in the 1100s, under the rule of the Normans. The Normans were Vikings who some generations before had settled in a part of Gaul which had come under the domination of the Franks after the Roman decline. The section where these Northmen settled came to be known as Northmandie, known today as Normandy. His name appears as Roald in some sources. It seems that Roland and his friend Alan fitz Flaad came to Norfolk along with Henry, son of William I, when the heir to the Norman throne of England died in a hunting accident. The next son Henry became the heir, and established himself as Henry I of England. Henry was the son of Matilda the Empress of the Holy Roman Empire, husband of William of Normandy, who became William I of England. One source reports Roland born in Cheswardine, in Shropshire (Welsh border area). But Burke's Peerage reports him born in Mileham, Norfolk (though possibly of Breton origins). Burke's Peerage (cited by many sources), along with other sources, indicates he came to Norfolk with his friend, Alan fitz Flaad (or Fleald), and was a tenant on lands of Alan in Mileham. Others report him born in Shrophshire, but I now also doubt that is correct. Burke also notes that it is not even certain -- though he came to Britain from Brittany -- that he is actually of Breton origin. He married the daughter of Ralph fitz (son of) Herlewin (or De Hunstanton). Maud is also referred to by the name Matilda. Her mother was Helwise, daughter of Hugh de Plaiz of Bernham, Suffolk, according to Complete Peerage XII/1:347-8. His son Hamon was granted lands in Cheswardine in Salopshire. His son Guy served as Sheriff of Salop 1159-60, and owned land in Alveley, Salop. Roland's Latin name is given on the family website as Rolleus. His Latin name Rolleus Extraneus developed in the common language as Roland Le Strange (with many variations on both names). This family name is spelled many ways today. Some common forms are: Strange, Strang, Straunge, Strong, LeStraunge, Le Straunge, L'Estrange and Le Strange. The dates given by the Norfolk Le Strange family are earlier than those reported by the Corbet-Le Strange genealogy on the Hart Family Website. The former does not report all dates, but shows an estimated death date for Roland of about 1135, compared to the date of about 1158 given by the latter. The Le Strange Website begins the Hunstanton family line with Roland. Even though the early Le Stranges are associated with Hunstanton in Norfolk, children are born in Shropshire, on the border with Wales. The first Barony was established at Knockin in Shropshire. The Barony of Hunstanton was established later. Dates for this couple given by the Hunstanton Le Strange Family Website are earlier than those reported by the Hart-Corbet-Le Strange genealogy and background information. No birth or death dates are given for Matilda, but the marriage date is 1112, compared with 1141 given by the Hart Family Website.
This line of Le Strange was established by Roland le Strange (died 1135) in Hunstanton, Norfolk. My line connecting to the Gregorys and Stranges of Tennessee connects to North America through Devon, which has a Hunstanton town also, probably named after the Le Strange estate in Norfolk. A descendant manages a family website, "The Le Strange Family Website," that includes some historical information and a sparse genealogy showing the line of descent from Roland. In 1299 John le Strange was "summoned" as the first Baronet Lord Strange of Knockin. The website does not provided dates for most persons, and places of birth for only a few. I have compared and evaluated other sources to get birth dates for the children. Note that there is a question on a connection with an Edmund Strange to Roland Strange/Extraneious that is worth investigating. Some questoin a link between Devcon and Norfolk in the line of descent. This suggests that the earliest ancestor of the Devon Le Stranges is a Robarte Strange about 1519. http://www.arapacana.com/reference/hypotheses.html#dumnonic The Le Strange Family Website spells the name with a lower case L on le Strange. I have followed the common pattern of capitalizing it. Sir Thomas Le Strange was "Esquire to the body of Henry VIII," according to the Le Strange Family Website and other sources. -- Jamesina M Remfry, Le Strange Website, http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Seat-H2.htm The Le Stranges were originally Franco-Celts (or Norman-Celts) from Breton (Brittany) in France. The name is the natural phonetic development in French Latin of the name Extraneus, the foreigner. Members of the family later established themselves in Devon. Devon is on the southwest peninsula of Britain, bordering Cornwall. There is a long historic connection between this area and Wales with Brittany, from the pre-Roman times, but strengthened in the time of the Saxon invasions when some from the Cornwall area emigrated across the channel to Brittany to escape military pressure. This connection figures in the anachronistic Arthurian tales of the Middle Ages. The Celts of this area of Britain and the continent were of the group linguistically classified as Brythonic. Families were related across the British Channel into modern times. The continental area became more and more Romanized, then Frankified, though the Breton language is still spoken some today. Cornish as a mother tongue was declared extinct in the 1950s, but has been revived as a studied language. A L'Estrange researcher in Australia contributed the following information about Thomas, indicating that his son Richard was the one who started the Irish line of L'Estranges: "My daughter-in-law's maiden name is L'Estrange, she is descendant from Sir Thomas le Strange (1493-1545). His second eldest son Richard, went to Ireland sometime between 1531 and 1545, and started the L'Estrange family there, living initially at Rosscommon and finally at Moystown and Kilcummin in Kings Co." -- Eric Winstone, Genealogy Website Guest Book Entry, April 2008 One or two sources have birth dates for Thomas and/or his wife Anne Vaux that are too late to match the marriage dates for this couple (21 May 1513). I initially used dates from the family website of Le Strange of Hunstanton, of whom Thomas was one of the Lords. These are supported by other genealogies presenting the Le Strange or related families, as well as formal academic sources. Some genealogies appear to have linked Thomas to the wrong Anne (Anna) Vaux, who was born abt 1513 (or confused the birth date with someone else), instead of Anne (Anna) Vaux, daughter of Nicholas Vaux and Elizabeth Fitzhugh, who seems to have been born about 1494, from most family and public sources that have a birth date for her. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22, via Ancestry.com Sir Thomas Le Strange Birth Date: 1494 Death Date: 16 Jan 1545 Father's name: Robert Le Strange ------------------------------------------------------- Sir Thomas Le Strange (1493-1545) Birth 1493 Hunstanton, Norfolk, England Death January 16, 1545 Hunstanton, Norfolk, England Father: Sir Robert Le Strange Mother: Margaret Le Strange Spouse: Anne Vaux Wedding May 21, 1513 "Sir Thomas Le Strange of Hunstanton inherited the Norfolk estates of his nephew, John who died without issue aged 13 in 1514. His career was influenced by his father, Robert, of Elsing manor, who had died 3 years prior, and whom had arranged for his children to marry well. Indeed Sir Thomas and his siblings did, and his early arranged marriage to Anne Vaux, in 1501, who was 5th in descent from John of Gaunt, enriched his life by bringing them 16 children." -- "Sir Thomas Le Strange (1493-1545)," Familypedia, http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Thomas_Le_Strange_(1493-1545) ------------------------------------------------------- Sir Thomas le Strange [1493-1545] [Esq. to Body of Henry VIII] Son of: Sir Robert le Strange (see above) of Elsing Hall, Norfolk [d.1511] and Anne le Strange Spouse Anne Vaux [b.1494, living 1548] Issue: 1. Sir Nicholas le Strange of Hunstanton [b.c.1511 d.1580] 2. Richard le Strange of Moystown, Ireland 3. William le Strange 4. Roger le Strange 5. Henry le Strange 6. Thomas le Strange 7. William le Strange (Junior) 8 Edmund le Strange 9. Elizabeth le Strange m.John Cressener 10. Alice le Strange m.Thomas Calthorpe 11. Anne le Strange m.Anthony Southwell 12. Katherine m.Rowland Clark 13. Mary le Strange -- Jamesina M Remfry, Le Strange Website, http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Seat-H2.htm Note that this LeStrange genealogy names the wife of Robert, Thomas' father, as Anne Le Strange. One interesting item is that the Familypedia article names the parents of Sir Thomas Le Strange as Robert and Margaret, not Robert and Anne. The Tudorplace genealogy also shows Thomas' mother as Margaret Le Strange. -- http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)1 Other sources I have consulted have no information about Maragret as a wife of Robert Le Strange, father of Thomas born 1494. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 Sir Thomas Le Strange Birth Date 1494 Death Date 16 Jan 1545 Father Robert Le Strange
The Le Strange Website states that William was a "Clerk in Holy Orders" (Ordained as a priest).
The family lists two children named William, with the designation Junior on this younger one. No ages are given in the family genealogy. It is not clear what is meant by designating a brother as William Junior, or why two brothers would be named the same. There is no note of the elder brother dying.
Alianore de Blancminster Born in 1232 - Blackmore, Shropshire, England Deceased in 1276 - Longnor, Shropshire, England , age at death: 44 years old Father William de Blancminster b 1205; Mother unknown Married to Robert le Strange 1232-1276 Son William le Strange de Felton d 1329 -- Ancestros de Eduardo Cruz-Pesantes, http://gw.geneanet.org/tiguayo60?lang=en;pz=eduardo+augusto+javier;nz=cruz+pesantes;ocz=0;p=alianore;n=de+blancminster