Theobald 2nd Butler Le Botiller FITZWALTER Theobold 3rd Butler BOTILER Mini tree diagram


also known as Joan MARREIS1

12001 - 12252

Life History


Born in Spencercombe, Devon, England.1

about 1222

Married Theobald 2nd Butler Le Botiller FITZWALTER in Ireland.3


Birth of son Theobold 3rd Butler BOTILER in Norfolk, England.4,5


Died in no place.2

(less likely)



(most likely)


  • This family name appears in many forms from the spelling of the time and later.  The most common modern English form of this name, I believe, is Marris.  It is found in French as Marais.  the latter name is also well-known in South Africa among the Afrikaner community, from the strong Huguenot stream that joined the Dutch Afrikaners in Southern Africa during the Catholic persecutions of the French Protestants.  The name of this woman appears in genealogies and histories as Marreis, Mareis, Marais and De Maris, De Mareis, De Marais or Du Marais.  It appears Joan was the first wife of Theobald (Theobold) Second Butler of Ireland, with marriage in about 1222, when she was 22 years old.  But Joan died soon after the marriage.  Some factors indicate that she died in childbirth, with the son Theobald who became the 3rd Butler of Ireland.  Some genealogies report Theobald as a child of the second wife, Rohese (or Rohesia) de Verdun.  But the most careful information seems to indicate the facts of the matter to be that Joan was Theobald's mother, and the other children were Rohese's children.  Some sources report that Joan was the mother of Theobold 3rd Butler, while others indicate his mother was the second wife, Rohese De Verdun.  Some sources report Theobald 3rd Butler as born in 1223, which would be before Joan's death, while another date reported for his birth is 1227, making Rohese his mother.  Few sources report all these wives, children and facts together.  Some have only two wives, some only one wife with Theobald as Joan's son, some with three wives and no children of Joan, and none of the third wife.  Thus dates of marriages are not necessarily given by the same sources reporting on the children or their particular dates.  I am following the most complete and seemingly consistent sources and filling in details from others where missing.


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