John GREEN Nancy GREEN Nancy Alnenee Talliutsuve DOUBLEHEAD Mini tree diagram

Gardner Red Wolf GREEN1,1,1,2,1,2,3,2

about 17031,2 - about 18183

Life History

about 1703

Born in Virginia.1,2

about 1730

Birth of daughter Nancy GREEN

about 1818

Died.3

about 1818

Buried in Unknown.3

Other facts

 

Married Nancy Alnenee Talliutsuve DOUBLEHEAD

Notes

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    Gardner first appears in VA records on a list of tithables along with a John Green in 1761.  He appeared on a list of deserters from Mecklenburg in 1777.  He sold land in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1779.  Feb 1780 he entered for 150 acres of land in Rowan Co, NC although this claim wasn't followed up on.  In late 1780, from "Loyalists in The Southern Campaign" his name appears on a list of those to be paid as one of "those who came to Orangeburg, SC with Lieut. Colonel John H Cruger."

    In 1789 Gardner Green is listed as a neighbor on a plat for Isom "Frankling" on Little Bush Creek, Saluda River, 96 District.  Garner Green is listed as a neighbor when John Pickens was granted land in 1793 on Great Rocky Creek in 96.  Later in 1793 Pickens sold the land to Edward Ware who later sold it to John Martin.  Garner is always listed as a neighbor to the Great Rocky Creek land.
    --  Kathryn Sharp, Ancestry Discussion Group, 23 January 2011
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    During his childhood, Gardner Red Wolf Green lived near the headwaters of Shooting Creek in North Carolina. As a young child, the war between the United States and the Chickamauga Cherokee grew in size and the village and its people were always moving.

    It is said by some that Gardner was around one hundred and fifteen years old when he was killed in crossfire early one morning when he went for his morning run. There has always been a debate about his age, and where he was laid to rest. The only one who would know for sure where he was laid to rest was Chief George the Otter Green who took that secret to his grave.
    --  original author unknown; posted 01 Feb 2012 by G Lindsey as an Ancestry story, accessed 13 October 2019
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    Gardner Green's father was John Green, born in Virginia.  These Greens are related to Henry Green, who died 1845 Halifax, Virginia.   I believe Henry Green to be connected to Thomas Green who was the son of a sea captain and an Indian bride.  They married into the Sizemore family prior to migrating to South Carolina.

    Supposedly the Sizemores and Greens were Native American.  I'm not sure if they were Cherokee or Nottoway.  There's a document signed 1611 by Thomas Green, Queen Betty, Nicolas Majors, Peter the Great and one other person I forget his name.  The document was disputing the boundaries between North Carolina and Virginia.  The settlers decided to ask the Indians to testify because they knew the land, the rivers and the region better than any white man.

    They were all Native American tribes from the northern Neck of Virginia.   Queen Bettie was the ruler of all five tribes.  She was Pamunkey Indian from the Powhatan tribes.  Queen Betty was also the mother of the infamous Pocahontas that married John Smith.
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    I believe Gardner Green married the daughter of Chief Doublehead.  Nancy Doublehead aka Alnenee Talliutsuve.  Gardner Green shows up as a lieutenant in the revolutionary war fighting for Britain.  As many Indians did side with Britain.  I find some Indians fighting under him such as Edward Vann, Joseph Vann and Martin Cloud.  These Vanns are very well documented and their home is a museum in Georgia.  There are also several other families connected to my Greens that migrated down to Indian Territory that fought under Gardner Green.   We can take a look at what was going on in history at that time such as assimilation of Indians or exclusion of Indians, in order to gather the true facts.
    --  Troy Sims, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 29 January 2015
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    Chapter VI
    The Cherokees

    The first that we hear of the Cherokees, after the Spanish invasion, is their connection with the early British settlers of Virginia.  A powerful and extensive nation, they even had settlements upon the Appomattox river, and were allied by blood with the Powhattan tribe.

    1623: The Virginians [Englishmen] drove them from that place, and they retreated to the head of the Holston river.  Here, making temporary settlements, the Northern Indians compelled them to retire to the Little Tennessee river, where they established themselves permanently.

    About the same time, a large branch of the Cherokees came from the territory of South Carolina, near Charleston, and formed towns upon the main Tennessee, extending as far as the Muscle Shoals.  [editor's note: These were lower, or "Chickamauga" Cherokees.]  They found all that region unoccupied, except upon the Cumberland, where resided a roving band of Shawnees.  But the whole country bore evidence of once having sustained a large Indian population.
    --  Albert James Pickett, History Of Alabama, Chapter VI, "The Cherokees," http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/pkt6.html#anchor1577366
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    "I find my Gardner Green family moving from 1770 Lunenburg Va to Surry County NC.  And then on to the Old 96 District SC some as early as 1768 living on the Pacolet River, and Rocky River SC.  They migrated south with the Weirs/Wares and Sizemore’s.  I believe they came out of the Northern Neck of Virginia; Bristol Parish.  My Green/Franklin family had over 200 NA applications filed with the Guion Miller.  All Denied.  The Sizemore’s had over 2000 applications filed and most denied. Several got through.  Our families were brought to court in Lunenburg VA for living in adultery.  I believe they were at one time Nottoway Indian and ruled by the Pamunkey 'Queen Betty.'  ... Thomas Baker Franklin of Cherokee Ponds (Hopewell SC “Treaty of Hopewell 1785”) is connected to Isham Franklin, Shadrack Green and Gardner Green.  The Reverend James Hembree was witness to Isham Franklin’s Estate and Nancy Franklin Administrator. Nancy Franklin also Administrator of Thomas Baker Franklin’s Estate.  I noticed some interesting purchasers at Thomas’ estate:  James Vann, and Edward Vann (Cherokee Indian)."
    --  Troy Sims, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 18 September 2019

    "Isom Franklin is living in Greenville SC in the late 1700's.  His land is well into Cherokee territory, and is associated with Henry Sizemore, Meschack Green, Gardner Green, Thomas Franklin, and Ephraim Franklin.  I believe Isom's daughter to be Lucretia Franklin that married Meshack Green."  (Troy Sims is a genealogical researcher on the Green familiy line among the various Native American tribes of Virginia and the Carolinas, and a descendant of Meshack W Green and Lucretia Franklin of Pendleton District, South Carolina.)
    --  Troy Sims, Ancestry Discussion Group, 22 September 2011

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    Gardner Green probably should not be characterized as an "Eastern" Cherokee.  He would dislike, I believe, the inference, and once you understand the ins-and-outs of the period, you would understand what I mean.

    The Oconoluftees or part of what later became known as "Eastern Band" were forced to sell out and hunt down the followers of Tsali... a remnant of the Cherokees who HAD to walk the trail of tears, but Tsalis people escaped to the caves... because they had no individual reservation agreement with the US Gov.

    The Oconluftees had left the Cherokee Nation and took mile square reservations in 1817, and help hunt down the "Tsalis" or the ones who hid in the caves - in order to keep their lands.  Together, they were allowed to say in NC under a provision of the hated 1835 "Treaty of New Echota."  [One signatory on the 1817 treaty is one John Horton, believed to be a white Quaker signing on behalf of his wife Nancy Anne Green, daughter of Meshack W Green of Old 96 Ditrict/Pendleton District, South Carolina.  There was a large Quaker mission to the Cherokees, which was very well-received and the Quaker faith grew among the Cherokees.  There were many white Quakers who intermarried with the Cherokees.]

    They are looked down on by the Tahlequah, OK bunch.  There seems to be a lot of "looking down" on Cherokees by Cherokees.

    Gardner died in the East before the "Eastern" Band was even federally-recognized... about 1844.  [This would mopst likely have been the son of the original Gardner Green here.  The elder Garnder died about 1818, and would have been onver 100 years old, as reported in some sources.]

    He was "Ani Waya" or Wolf Clan. He descended from "King" Powhatan and Matoaka, (or Pocahontas) the Bear Clan People.  (See http://www.amonsoquathbandofcherokee.org/.)

    The Amonsoquath are Chickamauga (traditionals), and many Chickamauga are Amonsoquath.  You are Amonsoquath if you descend from Powhatan.

    So, Sarah/Sary was Gardner Green's other daughter, and my GGGGreat Grandmother Elizabeth's sister.  The male line is well documented, but not the females that come down from him. He may have had 4 different wives... at the same time!
    Gardner Green (Red Wolf) fought beside Dragging Canoe, Tecumseh's Cherokee Grandfather (that's correct - was raised by Dragging when his Shawnee faher was killed by the whites) in the 40 years war, and was more properly a Chickamauga Cherokee.

    Later, Gardner was in fact an "Old Settler" or traditionalist "Keetowah" and, under US Treaty law, would have been referred to as "Western Cherokee."  See treaties of 1817, 1828, and 1833.
    --  William Scott Anderson, Green descendant and reseadrcher, private paper, sourde unknown, 12 November 2000
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    Isham (Isom) Franklin & Gardner Green
    "It's theorized that my gggg grandfather, Esom Franklin (b. 1772) may have been a grandson of Gardner Green.  The hardest evidence I have for a connection is a SC plat record for an Esom Franklin that shows Gardner Green as a neighbor.  John Busby of the Province of South Carolina [no county given] to William Sizemore of Mecklenburg County, Province of Virginia consideration:  100 lbs current money of VA land: in Mecklenburg on both sides Great Buffalo Creek beginning on Henry Greens line to William Griffins line crossing Great Buffalow Greens corner to beginning [containing] 200 acres Witnesses:  Gardner Green, Edward (Me) Ware, John (I) Sizemore recorded 9 November 1772;  From Pendleton Co. SC deeds:  Book B, p. 253. 4 Nov. 1793.  (This land was again sold later on to John Martin.  Garner [Gardner?] Green is still listed as bounding the land on the SE.):"
    --  Richard Heyduck, Ancestry Discussion Group Gardner Cherokee Green, 28 January 2001

    "In tracing family history, I have info that I am a relation to Gardner Green through Esom Franklin, born 26 October 1772.  Unsure as to whether Esom was a son or a nephew. ... Esom was called a 'half-breed'  by the local sheriff in McMinn County TN."  [Not in the 1700s.  Note that McMinn County, Tennessee, was not established until 1819, created from Cherokee lands.  In this discussoin group another participant asked Katstin about this "half-breed" claim and he never answered.  --  OBJ]
    --  Tom Katstin, Ancestry Discussion Group, 05 September 2010

    "Gardner Green owned land next to Isshom [Isham or Issom] Franklin, found on the Internet one time but can't find it now.  Did I tell you on my kin's Guion Miller application, she listed my Thomas Franklin born around 1780 as dark complected, coarse black hair.  She is the only one that had seen Thomas Jefferson Franklin.  I believe Ephriam [sic] Franklin and Nancy were his parents.  I have Ephriam Franklin's estate papers, and he names Thomas Bartley Henry and James Sizemore as heirs.  James was married to Patience Franklin."
    -- Barbara Cook, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 4 February 2012

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    1) Gardner Green b 1703 to 1735 in VA or NC, d 1835-1837 buried Fannin Co Ga.  He owned land in Halifax Co VA in 1760 and in Rowan Co NC in 1780s.  We have been told that he also lived in Tn, Ky and SC. Gardner Green married Margaret Coil b ca 1740.  Their kids born between 1760 and 1798 were Mossie, Benjamin Franklin, William, John, Paul and Issac Green.  Gardner's other wife was Rachal Toalson/Foalson/Foalsom.

    2) Benjamin Franklin Green b 1761 VA d4-1850 Boone Co Mo; married Mary Newhouse in 1782.  Their kids born between 1775 and 1809 were James Sr., John, Issac, Richard, Joseph, William and Dicey Ann Green (Dicey Ann married a Boyd).

    3) James Green Sr. b1789 in East Tenn d 8-7-1866 Boone Co Mo;  1m Rachel Butler in Henry Co, Ky on 2-4-1807. Rachel b 1786-1788 d abt 5-1822;  2m Margaret Peggy Lowden/London/Louden on 10-13-1822 in Henry Co Ky. Margaret was b abt 1803 and died 9-22-1885 Boone Co Mo.  James and Magaret moved to Mo about 1832.  James' kids born between 1808 and 1844 were Levi, Jessie, Issac, Jemima, Mary Jane, Sally Ann, James Jr., John I., Nancy, William A, Squire, Teresa, Louisa, Thomas, Eli, Eliza Jane, Dicy Ann and Margaret Green.  Our line extends from Louisa who married George W. Ketchum Sr.

    4) William Green son of Benjamin Green and Mary Newhouse. (brother of Jamrs Green Sr). William Green was b 4-12-1800 m Mary Polly Trammell 2-26-1817.  Their kids born between 1823 and 1850 were Lewis, William Jr., Philip, Elijah, Alexander M., John W., Nicholas, Fields, Mary and Edward.
    --  Nancy Kess, Ancestry Discussion Group, 05 July 1999, Edited 10 April 2003
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