Rudolph Asewaynah FISCHER Lena FISCHER Mary Kitsey Asewaynah FISCHER Verbena Anita FISHER Bernice Rosella FISHER Geniece FISHER Henry Rudolph FISHER Johnny Allison FISHER Agnes E STURM Lottie FISCHER Rudolph FISCHER Tisseychauer TASATSANA Mini tree diagram
Henry Asewaynah Willie FISHER

Henry Asewaynah Willie FISHER1,2,18,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,19,16,17

17th Nov 18961,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 - 17th Nov 19825,10,13,14

Life History

17th Nov 1896

Born in Oklahoma Territory.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17

14th Aug 1917

Birth of daughter Verbena Anita FISHER.20,21,8,17,6,16,12

24th Oct 1919

Birth of daughter Bernice Rosella FISHER in Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma.12,10,21,6,16,8,10,22,20

1925

Birth of daughter Geniece FISHER.17,21,16,20

4th Jul 1930

Birth of son Henry Rudolph FISHER.23,5,16

6th Jan 1933

Birth of son Johnny Allison FISHER.16,20

5th Sep 1956

Death of Agnes E STURM.10,14,20

1968

Death of daughter Geniece FISHER.20

17th Nov 1982

Died in Hospital, Region Metropolitana, Chile.5,10,13,14

after 17th Nov 1982

Buried in Fort Cobb Cemetery, Fort Cobb, Caddo County, Oklahoma.13

Other facts

 

Married Agnes E STURM

Notes

  • "Henry Asewaynah Fisher is the son of Rudolph Fisher (Fischer) and aComanche woman. This Rudolph Fisher was captured by the Comanches atabout age 10 or 12 near Fredericksburg TX; his family were German.Rudolph Fisher was given the name 'Grey Blanket' by the Comanches."
    --  Bee Gossett, Email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 14 December 2009

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    Re: Rudolph Fischer, Indian captive
    szesch (View posts)
    Posted: 24 Jul 2011 7:46AM
    Classification: Query

    Cathie, two of Rudolph Fischer's daughters by Kahchacha (Bertie andHelen) married two of Quanah Parker's sons (Len and Thomas).Everything that I was able to learn about Fischer I incorporated intomy book "The Captured."

    Scott Zesch
    --  Ancestry Discussion Boards, "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive,"http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/surnames.fischer/717.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx
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    1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche &Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam#270
    Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years TexGermany Germany Farm & Stock Rents
    Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian
    Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as inthe genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5living TX TX TX Ration Indian
    Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 livingOkla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in  other censuses] Dau Ind FApril 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    ** Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter TexTex Ration Indian **
    Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex TexRation Indian
    Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Lottie or Margaret in genealogies,  b 1893,but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 OklaTer Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex TexRation Indian
    Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter TexTex Ration Indian
    Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Married Tex Tex Tex RationIndian (? He's not an Indian)

    Henry Asewaynah Willie Fisher
    Birth 17 Nov 1896 in Oklahoma
    Death 17 Nov 1982 in Hospital, Region Metropolitana, Chile
    Spouse Agnes E Sturm
    Birth Aug 1894
    Death 5 Sep 1956 in Caddo, Caddo, Oklahoma
    Daughter Bernice Rosella Fisher 1919 - 1997
    --  Jenkins Tree,http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/12937486/person/99666373

    1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, KiowaAgency, Page ?
    Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850]
    Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854]
    Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher  F Dau age 11 [b 1894]
    Roll #1125 Willie Fisher  M Son age 8 [b 1897]
    Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997]
    Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher  FDau age 4 [b 1901]
    Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905]

    1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, ChandlerTownship, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17
    Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX GermanyGermany Farmer [b abt 1853]  English mother tongue
    Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[babt 1865] Comanche mother tongue
    Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TXComanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK1/2 blood English mother tongue
    ** Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TXComanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue **
    Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OKComanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue

    In the 1910 census, Rudolph was enumerated in the household of hiswife Tissy Chau er with the same set of children.

    1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, KiowaAgency, No page #
    Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M
    #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F
    #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F
    #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M
    #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F
    #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F
    #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F

    1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, KiowaAgency, No page #
    #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M
    #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F
    #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M
    #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F
    #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F
    #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F

    1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, KiowaAgency, page 50
    Current #1144 Last #1141 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt1850] M
    #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F
    #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M
    #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 b 1896 F
    #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F
    #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F

    In 1914, Henry has moved out next door.  He is enumerated as aseparate household, but there is no wife, just him.  He is now listedbetween Rudolph and Bertie's household.

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comancheand Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
    Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Headb abt 1850 M
    #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F
    #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F
    #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F
    #1146 #1169 Mamie Fisher [Fos] Dau b 1905 F

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comancheand Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
    #1143 #1170 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son Hse #529.25 b 1896 M

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comancheand Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 45
    #1147 #1171 Bertie Ase way nah  Hse #529.5 Head b 1892 M
    #1148 #1172 Joe Wer ya vah b 1912

    In 1917, the Fisher family list has grown with the addition of Len Nehi o Parker, one of Quanah Parker's sons, who has married Bertie A seway nah Fisher.  In these censuses Henry's wife does not appear,probably because she is Caddo, not Comanche.  The 1930 census reportsAgnes' father was a Caddo, and her mother of Mixed Blood.  However, inthe Comanche census of 1930, she is reported as Wichita.  So perhapsher mother was Mixed Blood Wichita.  I dio not have Agnes' parentsinformation.

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    1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, KiowaAgency
    #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529
    #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F
    #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F
    #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F

    #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8
    #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr  Son [sic] b 1915 F
    #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr  Dau b 1917 F

    #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25

    #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5
    #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F
    #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F
    #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1915 F
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    1920 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 19 January, ChandlerTownship, District 113, parker RR Section, page 4B, Hse #76, Fam #77
    Fisher, Henry C Head Owns M In 23 OK TX OK Farmer
    Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 23 OK OK OK
    Fisher, Anita B Dau F In 2yrs5mos OK OK OK
    Fisher, Bernice Dau F In 2mos TX OK OK OK

    In the 1920 Comanche rolls, Henry's wife Agnes is not listed withHenry and the children.  This is probably because she is a Wichita.Henry is listed under his Comanche name, Asewaynah, from his father'sname given by the Comanches, meaning Gray Blanket.  But his daughtersare reported under the English name from Henry's father, Fisher,originally the German Fischer.  Later children were listed under theComanche surname.  In the US Federal censuses, the English name isalways used.

    1920 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma,30 June, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page #
    #1201 Henry Asewaynah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M Fam # 529 1/2blood
    #1202 Verbera [mistranscription: Verbena] Fisher Dau  b 1917 F
    #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F

    1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma,1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page #
    #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry  M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head
    #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife
    #289 Fisher, Verbena F age 13 Comanche Single Dau
    #290 Fisher, Bernice F 11 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau
    #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche  1/4 Dau Single

    There was a great discrepancy about who should be listed and who waslisted in the various Indian tribal rolls.  A good summary of factorsin provided by the University of Indiana on this topic.  Following isan excerpt on some notable people who were included or excluded in theComanche rolls.

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    The Comanche Census Lists

    The earliest extant name-based Comanche censuses are from July 1876,recording the Penateka local bands of Tosawa and Asehabit, residentsof the Wichita Reservation north of the Washita River at modernAnadarko.The lists are by head of extended family under the twochiefs, and show a total of 166 people in twenty-four families.

    The earliest extant name-based list for the rest of the Comanches isfrom 1879. It is ordered by the heads of nuclear households. ...

    It listed 1,427 people under 602 heads of families under 41 "chiefs".But although the Kiowa and Wichita Agencies were consolidated in 1879,it did not include the Penatekas at the Wichita Agency. They were notincluded in the Comanche totals until 1885. There are similar listsfor 1880, 1881, and 1883.

    The earliest name by name is list from 1885, but it is problematic.There are only some 912 names are on it, and several whole bands wereexcluded. There are more comprehensive name-by-name censuses for 1889,1892, and 1895--the last year the censuses were listed by "bands"under "chiefs" -- and annually for the years thereafter through 1939.After 1929, the lists are alphabetical by the surname of the head ofthe family, although spouses continued to be listed with their ownsurname.

    Even as listings of individuals, there are pitfalls in using thelists. First, there is the simple problem of misnumbering; thehandwritten 1895 list has a total of 1507, a figure also used in the"Recapitulation" at the end. But the list omitted the numbers1330-1339, so the total is really 1497.

    Then there is the problem of exactly who is counted. From 1879, anumber of non-Comanches were listed. These range from various otherIndians, both captives and spouses, to non-Indian captives whoremained with the Comanches after capture: Asewaynah was theTexas-German Rudolph Fisher; Waysee, the "oldest Comanche" when hedied, was also non-Indian, although his origin is unknown. After theso-called Jerome Allotment Agreement of 1892, a number of othernon-Comanches were listed. Some were captives who came back in hopesof getting an allotment; Herman Lehman got on the rolls in 1904, butBianca Babb was rejected. There were "squaw men," non-Indians who hadmarried Comanches; George Chandler was married to a non-Comanchecaptive woman. There were hangers-on such as the old interpreterHorace P. Jones, and Quanah Parker's handyman, David Grantham.

    Finally, there is the question of fraud. It is sometimes claimed thatpeople placed dogs in cradleboards to get extra rations or allotments(Jackson 1979:112). While this cannot be ruled out, comparison of theoriginal allotment lists, both the allotment list and the originalallotment maps with census lists from both before and after allotment,shows near 100 percent alignment over the next decades: there were noallotments attributed to otherwise unknown individuals. While thereare cases of new-borns being listed as "no name" on censuses, in mostcases they can be linked to later-named children.
    --  http://php.indiana.edu/~tkavanag/comtext.htm
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    1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, ChandlerTownship, District 5, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82
    Fisher, Henry Head Owns M In 34 Married at age 18 OK Mixed BloodComanche Farmer, Indian Home
    Fisher, Agnes Wife F In 37 Married at age -- OK Mixed Blood Caddo
    - page 5B -
    Fisher, Verbena Dau F In 11 OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    Fisher, Bernice Son M In 10 OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    Fisher, Jeanie Dau M In 5 OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    Ketch, George Boarder M In 45 OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche Farmer

    The 1937 census adds a year for birth.

    1937 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma,1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, Page 22
    #284 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry  M Born 1894 age 40 Comanche 1/2Married Head Last census #271
    #285 Fisher, Verbena F b 1917 age 19 Comanche Single Dau  #272
    #286 Fisher, Bernice F b 1919 18 Comanche 1/2 Single Dau  #273
    #287 Asewaynah, Geneice F b 1925 12 Comanche  1/2 Dau Single #274
    #288 Asewaynah, Henry Rudolph M 1930 67 Comanche 1/2 Son Single #275
    #289 Fisher, Johnnie Allison M 1933 3 Comanche 1/2 Son #276

    In 1937 Henry is reported as married but his wife is not listed onthis census, which would normally indicate she was not an Indian.  Butin 1930 she was included, reported as a Wichita.

    The 1930 census reports all children 1/4 blood, the same as bothparents, even though one parent is Comanche and one is Wichita.  Thepercentage of Comanche (or any Native?) blood has changed, 1/4 in 1930and 1/2 in 1937.  Note that Henry is reported as 1/2 Indian, matchingthe family history report that his father was a German captured as achild by the Comanches.  But then all his children are also reportedas 1/2.  If his wife was Comanche, they would be 3/4.  The match worksin 1930 if by "degree of blood," they mean 1/4 of any Native Nation.

    If his wife was white, they would be 1/4.  But if his wife was halfwhite and half Comanche, then the children could be 1/2 Comanche.But, then, if she was half Comanche, she should also be listed here.Agnes was listed in the 1930 census, why not here?  But we saw abovethat the 1930 census reports that Agnes Sturm was a Wichita Indian.But she is repoted as 1/4 blood.

    Analyzing the two 1930 records, we see Agnes is reported as a Wichita,and her mother as Mixed Blood and her fther as Caddo.  The 1/4 thenwould mean her mother was half white and half Wichita, her fatherfullblood Caddo.  Thus Agnes is half Caddo and 1/2 Wichita.  Thecensus appears to be reporting percentage of Indian blood, but Agnes,who is 3/4 (1/4 Wichita and !/2 Caddo) is reported as 1/4 blood.  Insome censuses, the percentage of WHITE blood was reported, so maybethe enumerator got confused.

    In the 1940 census, the enumerator wrote Verbena's name as Berbena.

    1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma, 10 April, District 8-54,Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns
    Fisher, Henry A Head F In 44 Married Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in1935 Farmer
    Fisher, Agnes E Wife F In 43 Married Grade 8 b Oklahoma same county in1935
    Fisher, Berbena A Dau F In 22 Grade H4 b Oklahoma same county in 1935
    Fisher, Genece A Dau F In 15 Grade 7 b Oklahoma same county in 1935
    Fisher, Henry R Son M In 9 Single Grade 2 b Oklahoma same county in1935
    Fisher, John E Son M In 7 Single Grade 0 b Oklahoma same county in1935

    U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current
    Henry Fisher
    Born 15 Nov 1896
    Died Nov 1982
    Last Benefit & Residence Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma 73005
    SSN 444-26-8701 issued Oklahoma (Before 1951)

    Gravestone of Henry Asewaynah Willie Fisher and Agnes E Fisher, FtCobb Cemetery, Washita County, Oklahoma
    Fisher, Henry A
    17 Nov 1896
    17 Nov 1982
    Agnes E
    Aug 1894
    Sept 5, 1956

    Henry A Fisher
    Birth Nov. 17, 1896
    Death Nov. 17, 1982
    Burial Fort Cobb Cemetery, Fort Cobb, Caddo County, Oklahoma
    Created by Nancy Charlton Apr 10, 2011
    --  Find A Grave Memorial #68163709,http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Fisher&GSfn=Henry&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=38&GScnty=2135&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=68163709&df=all&

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  • 3. 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
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    • 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
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    • 19 January, Chandler Township, District 113, parker RR Section, page
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    • 30 June, Page 50
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    • Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency,
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    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ?
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    • Memorial #68163709
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    • 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17
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