Henry LE STRANGE Roger LE STRANGE Thomas LE STRANGE Katherine LE STRANGE Roger LE STRANGE Elizabeth LE STRANGE Ann LE STRANGE Anne L'ESTRANGE John LE STRANGE Ann LE STRANGE Catherine DRURY Mini tree diagram
Robert LE STRANGE

Robert LE STRANGE4,2,5

about 14773,2 - 18th Mar 15113,2,1

Life History

about 1460

Born in Elsing Hall, Norfolk, England.3,2

(less likely)

about 1477

Born in Pakenham, Suffolk, England.1

(most likely)

1493

Birth of son Thomas LE STRANGE in Hunstanton, Norfolk, England.5,2,1,6

1493

Married Anne L'ESTRANGE in Hunstanton, Norfolk, England.7

1493

Married in Anne L'Estrange.2

1495

Birth of daughter Katherine LE STRANGE.7

about 1496

Birth of son Roger LE STRANGE.7

1497

Birth of daughter Elizabeth LE STRANGE.1

1497

Death of Anne L'ESTRANGE.7

1499

Birth of daughter Ann LE STRANGE.1

18th Mar 1511

Died in Norfolk, England.3,2,1

Notes

  • He is styled Robert Le Strange of Elsing, though he was reported byTudorplace as born in Pakenham (spelled in some sources as Pokenham).The Le Strange website does report him as born in Elsing Hall, but italso reports the other brothers born there, while it appears they wereall born in different estates.  This matches a common medievalpractice of birthing an heir in the estate already designated for thatchild.

    There is some confusion between sources over the spouses of Robert andhis brother Roger, and the identity of Robert's  wife.  Tudorplacereports Robert married to Margaret Le Strange (of Westbury,Northamptonshire), while the Le Strange Website reports him married toAnne L'Estrange.

    The latter appears to be the same Anne Le Strange that the Tudorplacesite reports as the wife of brother Roger!  But other sources reportRoger's wife as Amy Heydon.  Further, this Anne is reported to havedied in 1497, but Robert's last child, a daughter named Ann, isreported to have been born in 1499.

    This era abounds with confusions like this.  This is, however, one ofthe best-reported and documented on all sides, making it harder toresolve.

    Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
    Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England
    Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England
    Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)
    Mother: Catherine DRURY
    Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire,England
    Children:
    1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
    2. Roger Le STRANGE
    3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
    4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
    5. Anne Le STRANGE
    --  Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Robert LeSTRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)1

    This source reports Margaret's family as follows:
    Margaret Le STRANGE
    Born: ABT 1474, Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England
    Father: Thomas Le STRANGE
    Mother: Catherine VAUX
    Married 1: Edward KNYVETT
    Married 2: Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
    Children:
    1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
    2. Roger Le STRANGE
    3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
    4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
    5. Anne Le STRANGE
    --  Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Margaret LeSTRANGE2

    Margaret's parents' information is reported as follows:

    Thomas Le STRANGE
    Born: 1451
    Father: John Le STRANGE
    Mother: Dau. BROWSE [?]
    Married: Catherine VAUX
    Children:
    1. Margaret Le STRANGE
    2. Anne Le STRANGE
    --  Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Thomas LeSTRANGE4

    I cannot clearly identify this Catherine Vaux, and Tudorplace providesno dates or places related to her.  The only Catherine Vaux I have inthe tree in Anna Catherine Vaux, who married a son of this Sir RobertLe Strange also named Thomas.  This sounds suspiciously likegeneration misplacement!  Sorting this out is further a problembecause of the pesky recurrence of many of the same names in everygeneration of almost every noble line we are looking at here!Unfortunately, most "genealogies" don't bother themselves withdiscussion or documentation, further confusing the picture, whennovices repeatedly pick up and further propagate these incorrect orunclarified information.

    Even formal research sources confuse generations and individuals, dueto the incompleteness or unreliability of details so important to usin the modern information era, like dates and places and refineddistinctions of designation and details of relationships andidentities.

    The overall picture inclines me toward the view that the mother of SirRobert Le Strange's daughter Ann was Margaret Le Strange, not AnneL'Estrange.  But the picture is still clouded.

    One genealogy reporting Robert's wife as Margaret Le Strange outlinethe family as follows:
    Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
    Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England
    Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England
    Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)
    Mother: Catherine DRURY
    Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire,England
    Children:
    1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
    2. Roger Le STRANGE
    3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
    4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
    5. Anne Le STRANGE
    --  LeStrange Family,http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18820528/person/717597322/media/1?pg=

    But the Tudorplace genealogy reports that Margaret was marriedpreviously.  This may support the picture that she was a second wifeof Robert Le Strange.  Her first husband was Edward Knyvett.

    Edward KNYVETT
    Born: ABT 1476, Saltash, Cornwall, England
    Father: William KNYVETT (Sir Knight)
    Mother: Alice GREY
    Married 1: Margaret Le STRANGE Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England
    Married 2: Anne CALTHORPE
    --  Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/KNYVETT.htm#EdwardKNYVETT2

    Note here that Edward also had a second wife, so this seemsquestionable, without some clarification.  It is not likely Edward andMargaret could have been granted a divorce by the pope and each one ofthem be allowed to remarry.

    Note also that Tudorplace reports her as the mother of all Robert'schildren, including Ann.  So the periods of multiple marriages andbirths overlap.

    Some of these dates appears uncertain.  Different genealogies reportdates or places irregularly and incompletely.  There are greatvariations between sources, and some appear to be uncritical, forthere are internal conflicts between the dates reported in some.

    The Le Strange Family Website lineage is helpful, and I have followedthat as a more definitive general guide.  I have generally followedthat for the location of birth, where that is given.  However, thatinformation is quite spotty and has dates and places for only a fewpersons.  Dates there are sometimes estimated, and some informationclashes with known historical information from reliable genealogies.

    The lineage was posted only as a secondary interest, and the site,while giving history, does not focus primarily on the family details.It is primarily a personal hobby site about the family by one of thecurrent family members of another last name.

    The dates reported by sources give the same year for the marriage ofRobert and Anne as for the birth of the first son Thomas.

Sources

  • 1. Le Strange Family Genealogy -- TudorPlace
  • 2. Le Strange Website - No Longer Online
  • 3. Ancestry Trees
    • http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=*v34t0074&id=I08838
  • 4. One World Tree (sm)
    • http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=4132119&st=1
  • 5. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22
  • 6. Jamesina M Remfry, Descendants of Roland Le Strange
    • Location: http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Seat-H2.htm;
  • 7. One World Tree (sm)
    • http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=4129903&st=1

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