about 14773,2 - 18th Mar 15113,2,1
Life History
about 1460 |
Born in Elsing Hall, Norfolk, England.3,2 (less likely) |
about 1477 |
Born in Pakenham, Suffolk, England.1 (most likely) |
1493 |
Birth of son Thomas LE STRANGE in Hunstanton, Norfolk, England.5,2,1,6 |
1493 |
Married Anne L'ESTRANGE in Hunstanton, Norfolk, England.7 |
1493 |
Married in Anne L'Estrange.2 |
1495 |
Birth of daughter Katherine LE STRANGE.7 |
about 1496 |
Birth of son Roger LE STRANGE.7 |
1497 |
Birth of daughter Elizabeth LE STRANGE.1 |
1497 |
Death of Anne L'ESTRANGE.7 |
1499 |
Birth of daughter Ann LE STRANGE.1 |
18th Mar 1511 |
Died in Norfolk, England.3,2,1 |
Notes
- He is styled Robert Le Strange of Elsing, though he was reported by Tudorplace as born in Pakenham (spelled in some sources as Pokenham). The Le Strange website does report him as born in Elsing Hall, but it also reports the other brothers born there, while it appears they were all born in different estates. This matches a common medieval practice of birthing an heir in the estate already designated for that child.
There is some confusion between sources over the spouses of Robert and his brother Roger, and the identity of Robert's wife. Tudorplace reports Robert married to Margaret Le Strange (of Westbury, Northamptonshire), while the Le Strange Website reports him married to Anne L'Estrange.
The latter appears to be the same Anne Le Strange that the Tudorplace site reports as the wife of brother Roger! But other sources report Roger's wife as Amy Heydon. Further, this Anne is reported to have died in 1497, but Robert's last child, a daughter named Ann, is reported to have been born in 1499.
This era abounds with confusions like this. This is, however, one of the best-reported and documented on all sides, making it harder to resolve.
Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England
Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England
Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)
Mother: Catherine DRURY
Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire, England
Children:
1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
2. Roger Le STRANGE
3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
5. Anne Le STRANGE
-- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)1
This source reports Margaret's family as follows:
Margaret Le STRANGE
Born: ABT 1474, Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England
Father: Thomas Le STRANGE
Mother: Catherine VAUX
Married 1: Edward KNYVETT
Married 2: Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
Children:
1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
2. Roger Le STRANGE
3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
5. Anne Le STRANGE
-- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Margaret Le STRANGE2
Margaret's parents' information is reported as follows:
Thomas Le STRANGE
Born: 1451
Father: John Le STRANGE
Mother: Dau. BROWSE [?]
Married: Catherine VAUX
Children:
1. Margaret Le STRANGE
2. Anne Le STRANGE
-- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Thomas Le STRANGE4
I cannot clearly identify this Catherine Vaux, and Tudorplace provides no dates or places related to her. The only Catherine Vaux I have in the tree in Anna Catherine Vaux, who married a son of this Sir Robert Le Strange also named Thomas. This sounds suspiciously like generation misplacement! Sorting this out is further a problem because of the pesky recurrence of many of the same names in every generation of almost every noble line we are looking at here! Unfortunately, most "genealogies" don't bother themselves with discussion or documentation, further confusing the picture, when novices repeatedly pick up and further propagate these incorrect or unclarified information.
Even formal research sources confuse generations and individuals, due to the incompleteness or unreliability of details so important to us in the modern information era, like dates and places and refined distinctions of designation and details of relationships and identities.
The overall picture inclines me toward the view that the mother of Sir Robert Le Strange's daughter Ann was Margaret Le Strange, not Anne L'Estrange. But the picture is still clouded.
One genealogy reporting Robert's wife as Margaret Le Strange outline the family as follows:
Robert Le STRANGE of Elsing (Sir Knight)
Born: ABT 1477, Pakenham, Suffolk, England
Died: 18 Mar 1511/2, Norfolk, England
Father: Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)
Mother: Catherine DRURY
Married: Margaret Le STRANGE ABT 1492/3, Westbury, Northamptonshire, England
Children:
1. Thomas Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir Knight)
2. Roger Le STRANGE
3. Catherine Le STRANGE (B. Hastings)
4. Elizabeth Le STRANGE
5. Anne Le STRANGE
-- LeStrange Family, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18820528/person/717597322/media/1?pg=
But the Tudorplace genealogy reports that Margaret was married previously. This may support the picture that she was a second wife of Robert Le Strange. Her first husband was Edward Knyvett.
Edward KNYVETT
Born: ABT 1476, Saltash, Cornwall, England
Father: William KNYVETT (Sir Knight)
Mother: Alice GREY
Married 1: Margaret Le STRANGE Walton D'eville, Warwickshire, England
Married 2: Anne CALTHORPE
-- Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/KNYVETT.htm#Edward KNYVETT2
Note here that Edward also had a second wife, so this seems questionable, without some clarification. It is not likely Edward and Margaret could have been granted a divorce by the pope and each one of them be allowed to remarry.
Note also that Tudorplace reports her as the mother of all Robert's children, including Ann. So the periods of multiple marriages and births overlap.
Some of these dates appears uncertain. Different genealogies report dates or places irregularly and incompletely. There are great variations between sources, and some appear to be uncritical, for there are internal conflicts between the dates reported in some.
The Le Strange Family Website lineage is helpful, and I have followed that as a more definitive general guide. I have generally followed that for the location of birth, where that is given. However, that information is quite spotty and has dates and places for only a few persons. Dates there are sometimes estimated, and some information clashes with known historical information from reliable genealogies.
The lineage was posted only as a secondary interest, and the site, while giving history, does not focus primarily on the family details. It is primarily a personal hobby site about the family by one of the current family members of another last name.
The dates reported by sources give the same year for the marriage of Robert and Anne as for the birth of the first son Thomas.
Sources
- 1. Le Strange Family Genealogy -- TudorPlace
- 2. Le Strange Website - No Longer Online
- 3. Ancestry Trees
- http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=*v34t0074&id=I08838
- 4. One World Tree (sm)
- http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=4132119&st=1
- 5. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22
- 6. Jamesina M Remfry, Descendants of Roland Le Strange
- Location: http://www.ls.u-net.com/le_Strange/Seat-H2.htm;
- 7. One World Tree (sm)
- http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=4129903&st=1
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