Gottlieb Theophil FISCHER Bertie Asewaynah FISCHER Margaret Pohaey FISCHER Helen Marie FISHER  KAHCHACHA Lena FISCHER Mary Kitsey Asewaynah FISCHER Henry Asewaynah Willie FISHER Lottie FISCHER Rudolph FISCHER Tisseychauer TASATSANA  DUSSIT-SI-WEE Bertha FISCHER Rosa K FISCHER Arthur FISCHER Sophie SCHERTZ Mini tree diagram
Rudolph Asewaynah FISCHER

Rudolph Asewaynah FISCHER1,2,3,4,5,13,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

12th Jan 18521,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 - 13th Apr 194110

Life History

12th Jan 1852

Born in Gillespie County, Texas.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

Nov 1879

Birth of daughter Lena FISCHER in Oklahoma Territory.12,5

2nd Jul 1892

Birth of daughter Bertie Asewaynah FISCHER in Comanche Reservation, Oklahoma Territory.9,1,23,12,3,10

about 1896

Birth of daughter Margaret Pohaey FISCHER in Comanche Reservation, Oklahoma Territory.5,5

17th Nov 1896

Birth of daughter Mary Kitsey Asewaynah FISCHER in Oklahoma Territory.12,2,6,9,7,3,4,1,5

17th Nov 1896

Birth of son Henry Asewaynah Willie FISHER in Oklahoma Territory.1,14,2,7,15,16,4,17,6,10,5,18,19,20,12,21,22

14th Jun 1897

Birth of daughter Helen Marie FISHER in Comanche Reservation, Oklahoma Territory.10,5,15,12,19

about 1900

Birth of daughter Lottie FISCHER in Oklahoma Territory.2,6,8,9,12,3,1,7

Jan 1905

Birth of son Rudolph FISCHER in Oklahoma Territory.6

before 1910

Death of son Rudolph FISCHER in Comanche County, Oklahoma

13th Apr 1941

Died in Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma.10

after 13th Apr 1941

Buried in Fisher Family Cemetery, Apache, Caddo County, Oklahoma.10

Other facts

 

Married KAHCHACHA

 

Married Tisseychauer TASATSANA

 

Married DUSSIT-SI-WEE

Notes

  • Rudolph Fischer's parents immigrated from the Prussian Empire in July 1851 to settle Fredericksburg, in Gillespie County, Texas.  Rudolph was born soon afterwards and in the 1860 census, he is reported to be 8 years old, thus born about 1852.

    1860 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas, 20 July, Precinct 3, PO Fredericksburg, page 32, Hse #285, Fam #267
    Fischer, Gottlieb 46 M Farmer $400 Real Estate #800 Personal born Wurtemberg
    Fischer, Sophie 32 F born Prussia
    Fischer, Rudolph 8 M born Texas Attended School within the year
    Fischer, Beta [Berta, Bertha] 6 M born Texas
    Fischer, Rosa 5 M born Tex
    Fischer, Arthur 3 M born Tex

    Rudolph "Ase-way-nah, Gray Blanket" Fischer
    Birth 12 Jan 1852 in Gillespie County, Texas
    Death 13 April 1941 in Apache, Caddo, Oklahoma
    Buried at Fisher Family Cemetery
    Parents:
    Gottlieb Fischer 1813 - 1894
    Sophie Schertz 1828 - 1917
    --  Paula's Tree, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/5319081/person/-1469462696?ssrc=&ml_rpos=9&ftm=1

    Rudolph was stolen by the Indians while he was walking alone away for the home, around 1862.  He was raised from then as a Comanche.  He was released in 1877, but after a visit home he decided to stay with the Comanches, and married a Comanche woman.

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    Rudolph Fischer, Indian captive

    karlaschooley1
    23 Jul 2011 4:45PM
    Rudolph Fischer was my Great, Great Grandfather. My Grandfather was Randlett Myers, son of James and Lena (Fischer) Myers. My Grandfather was born at Fisher Farms near Apache, OK and is buried in Apache, OK.

    poodlelvr (View posts)
    24 Jul 2011 11:59AM

    I'm researching the Daniel Line this week I found out that James & Eliza Daniel's daughter Elizabeth married a man name Ezekiel Fuller and their son Frank H. Fuller married Sophie Fischer who is Rudolph Fischer and Tes-at-shona daughter. Do you know if Rudolph and his wife are related to Quanah Parker...?
    Thanks,
    Cathie Daniel

    Cathie, two of Rudolph Fischer's daughters by Kahchacha (Bertie and Helen) married two of Quanah Parker's sons (Len and Thomas). Everything that I was able to learn about Fischer I incorporated into my book "The Captured."

    Scott Zesch
    --  Ancestry Discussion Boards, "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive," http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=717&p=surnames.fischer
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    Rudolph appears in the 1900 census in Oklahoma Territory, on the Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Reservation with two Comanche wives.  He himself is reported as a Comanche Indian with two white parents.

    There are not enough children reported here of ages and names to match the children of the two wives reported in genealogies.  The first wife, married to Rudolph for 21 years, is here named Tis set see or similar, whereas family sources report her as Tissey Chau er.

    At least one genealogy, however, reports these as two separate wives.  This seems to be correct, since the ages are different:  Tis set sie b May 1862, cf Dussit-sie-wee in 1910 age 45 b abt 1865).  Tisseychauer is so reported in the 1905 Indian Rolls, where the names have been typed out and are readable.

    But in the 1910 census the only wife reported is Dussit Sie Wee.  The handwriting in this 1900 census is about the worst I have ever found in the censuses, and they can be pretty bad.  The names have been transcribed various ways, few of which match names given in genealogies.  Most genealogies, further, fail to give documentation, or provide documentation that does not match the names they report.

    The second wife's name here is unreadable, and Ancestry interprets it as Awanata.  She is always reported as Ka cha cha in genealogies, and named so by writer Scott Zesch, who has interviewed most members of the family and others, and written a definitive book on Rudolph and his family.

    1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory, 7 June, Kiowa, Comanche & Apache Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270
    Fisher, Rudolph Head Indian Male June 1864 45 Married 21 years Tex Germany Germany Farm & Stock Rents
    Fisher, Tis set sie (Tisseychauer?) Wife Indian Female Mar 1862 38 Married 21 years 8 children/4 living TX TX TX Ration Indian
    Fisher, Alla Cha Vita (Ancestry says Awanata, Maybe Ka cha cha as in the genealogies?) Wife Ind F Oct 1874 25 Married 17 years 6 children/5 living TX TX TX Ration Indian
    Myers, Lena Dau Ind F Nov 1879 20 25 Married 4 years 1 child/1 living Okla Territory Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Medicine (?) [Matches Bertie in other censuses] Dau Ind F April 1895 5 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Buster [Henry Asewaynah] Head Ind M Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Kitsey [Mary Asewaynah] Dau W F Oct 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Poe kaey (matches Margaret in genealogies,  b 1893, but age is 3 yrs later than age in genealogies) Ind F Nov 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Nis (age matches Helen) Dau Ind F June 1898 1 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Fisher, Maree Ind F Feb 1900 3mos Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Myers, Smoagan (?) Dau [Granddaughter] Ind F Aug 1896 3 Okla Ter Tex Tex Ration Indian
    Myers, James Son-in-law White M Oct 1855 44 Maried Tex Tex Tex Ration Indian (? He's not an Indian)

    1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ?
    Roll #1122 Rudolph Fisher A-se-way-nah M Husb age 55 [b abt 1850]
    Roll #1123 Tissy-Chau-er F Wife age 51 [b 1854]
    Roll #1124 Bertie Fisher  F Dau age 11 [b 1894]
    Roll #1125 Willie Fisher  M Son age 8 [b 1897]
    Roll #1126 Kit sey Fisher F Dau age 8 [b 1997]
    Roll #1127 Lottie Fisher  FDau age 4 [b 1901]
    Roll #1128 Rudolph Fisher M Son age 6mos [b 1905]

    1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17
    Fisher, Rudolph Head M W 57 Marriage 2 Married 30 yrs TX Germany Germany Farmer [b abt 1853]  English mother tongue
    Fisher, Dussit-si-wee Wife F Ind 45 Marriage 1 Married 30 yrs 9 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/Mexico Comanche/OK 1/2 blood[b abt 1865] Comanche mother tongue
    Fisher, Birdie Dau F Ind 16 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Margaret Dau F Ind 14 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Mary Dau F Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Henry Son M Ind 13 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Helen Dau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 8 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Fisher, Mamie Adopt Dau F Ind 5 Single Comanche/OK Comanche/OK Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Myers, Lena Dau W Ind 29 Marriage 1 Married 13 years [husband not in household] 5 children/4 living Comanche/OK Comanche/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    - page 3A -
    Myers, Mina Granddau F Ind 12 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Myers, Randlett Grandson M Ind 9 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Myers, Rudolph M Grandson M Ind 4 Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue
    Myers, Catherine Granddau F Ind 1 Single Comanche/OK White/TX Comanche/OK 1/2 blood English mother tongue

    There was also a Comanche census the same year, on the 30th of June.

    1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
    Roll #1135 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 59 [b abt 1851] M
    #1136 Tissy Chau er Wife age 55 [b 1855] F
    #1137 Bertie Ase way nah Fisher Dau age 15 [b 1995] F
    #1138 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 12 [b 1898] M
    #1139 Mary Ase way nah (Kitsey Fisher) Dau age 12 [b 1898] F
    #1140 Lottie Fisher Dau age 8 [b 1902] F
    #1141 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 4 [b 1906] F

    1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
    #1148 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head age 62 [b abt 1850] M
    #1149 Tissy Chau er Wife age 58 [b 1854] F
    #1150 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 16 [b 1896] M
    #1151 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sey) Dau age 16 [b 1896] F
    #1152 Lottie Fisher Dau age 12 [b 1900] F
    #1153 Mamie Fisher F. Dau age 7 [b 1905] F

    Rudolph's daughter Bertie is living still next door with her son Joe.

    1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
    #1154 #1147 Bertie A se way nah Fisher  Mother age 20 [b 1892] F
    #1155 #1148 Joe Wer ya vah Son age -- [b 1912] M

    1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page 50
    Current #1144 Last #1141 Ase way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Husb age 63 [b abt 1850] M
    #1145 #1142 Tissy Chau er Wife age 59 [b 1854] F
    #1146 #1143 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son age 17 [b 1896] M
    #1147 #1144 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau age 17 [b 1896] F
    #1148 #1145 Lottie Fisher Dau age 13 [b 1900] F
    #1149 #1146 Mamie Fisher Fos Dau age 8 [b 1905] F

    Rudolph's daughter Bertie is still next door with her son.

    1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page 50
    #1150 #1147 Bertie A se way nah Fisher  Mother age 21 [b 1892] F
    #1151 #1148 Joe Wer ya vah Son age 1 [b 1912] M

    In 1914, Henry is also listed in his separate household, without a wife reported.  He is listed between his parents and his sister Bertie and her son.

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
    Previous #1141 Current #1165 Asewaynah (Rudolph Fisher) Hse #529 Head b abt 1850 M
    #1142 #1166 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F
    #1144 #1167 Mary Ase way nah (Kit sy) Dau b 1896 F
    #1145 #1168 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F
    #1146 #1169 Mamie Fisher [Fos] Dau b 1905 F

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
    #1143 #1170 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Son Hse #529.25 b 1896 M

    1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 45
    #1147 #1171 Bertie Ase way nah  Hse #529.5 Head b 1892 M
    #1148 #1172 Joe Wer ya vah b 1912

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    1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency
    #1184 A se way nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b abt 1850 M Fam #529
    #1185 Tissy chau er Wife b 1854 F
    #1186 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F
    #1187 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F

    #1188 Mary A se way nah Head b 1896 F #529 1/8
    #1189 Augusta Bosin, Jr  Son [sic] b 1915 F
    #1190 Caroline Bosin, Jr  Dau b 1917 F

    #1186 Henry Ase way nah (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.25

    #1192 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.5
    #1193 Bertie A se way nah Wife b 1892 F
    #1194 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F
    #1195 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F
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    In the 1917 census, Mary's child Augusta Bosin Jr was reported as a Son but Female.  With the female form of the name, it appeared that this was a daughter.  The conflicting designations made it uncertain which of those designations was correct.  In the 1920 census, the two dsignations are consistent to identify the child as a Male, even though the name is Augusta.  Mary's white husband is not included in this family list.  But we see another child has been born since the 1917 census.

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    1920 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency
    #1193 Ase-way-nah (Rudolph Fisher) Head b 1850 M Fam #529
    #1194 Tissy-chau-er Wife b 1854 F
    #1195 Mamie Fisher Dau b 1905 F

    #1196 Lottie Fisher Dau b 1901 F #529.75

    #1197 Mary Asewaynah [sic, no hyphens or spaces] Head b 1896 F #529 1/8
    #1198 Augusta Bosin, Jr  Son b 1915 M
    #1190 Caroline Bosin Dau b 1917 F
    #1200 Eleanor Bosin Dau b 1919 F

    #1201 Henry Asewaynah [sic] (Willie Fisher) Head b 1896 M #529.5
    #1202 Verbera [Verbena] Fisher Dau b 1917 F
    #1203 Bernice Fisher Dau b 1919 F

    #1204 Ne hi o (Len Parker) Head b 1890 M #529.25
    #1205 Bertie Asewaynah [sic] Wife b 1892 F
    #1206 Vera Parker Dau b 1915 F
    #1204 Iona Parker Dau b 1917 F
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    In 1930, Rudolph is living next door to his son Henry with his wife Agnes and theri chidlren,.  They are reported that year in both the US census and the Comanche census.

    1930 Indian Census Rolls, Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No page #
    #287 Asewaynah (Fisher), Henry  M age 34 Comanche 1/4 Married Head
    #288 Sturm, Agnes F 36 Wichita 1/4 Married Wife
    #289 Fisher, Verbena F age 13 Comanche Single Dau
    #290 Fisher, Bernice F 11 Comanche 1/4 Single Dau
    #291 Asewaynah, Geneice F 1925 5 Comanche  1/4 Dau Single

    1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma, 10 April, Chandler Township, District 4, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82
    Fisher, Rudolph Head Owns $800 M White 77 Married at age 25 Texas Texas Texas [last 2 shoudl be Germany]
    Fisher, Indian [sic, Age matches Dussit-si-wee] Wife F Ind 65 Married at age 16 None [?] Mixed Blood Comanche [Race instead of place is rptd]
    Fisher, Lottie Dau F Ind 28 Married [husband not rptd here] OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    Fisher, Berdina Granddau F Ind 4yrs6mos OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    Fisher, Walter Jr Grandson M Ind 2yrs2mos Single OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche
    - Hse/Fam #82 -
    Fisher, Henry [son of Rudolph] Head Owns $4 M Ind 34 Married at age 18 OK  Mixed Blood  Comanche Farmer
    Fisher, Agnes Wife F Ind 37 Married at age [not rptd] OK  Mixed Blood  Caddo
    - page 5B -
    Fisher, Verbena Dau F In 11 OK Mixed Blood Comanche
    Fisher, Bernice Son M In 10 OK Mixed Blood Comanche
    Fisher, Jeanie Dau M In 5 OK Mixed Blood Comanche
    Ketch, George Boarder M In 45 OK Mixed Blood Comanche Farmer

Sources

  • 1. 1910 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
  • 2. 1912 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency, No page #
  • 3. 1920 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency
  • 4. 1913 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Page 50
  • 5. 1900 Federal Census, Oklahoma Territory
    • 7 June, Apache, Kiowa & Comanche Reservation, District 252, page cut off in scan, Hse #261, Fam #270
  • 6. 1905 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Page ?
  • 7. 1914 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Comanche and Apache Reservation, Kiowa Agency, Page 44
  • 8. 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma
    • 10 April, Chandler Township, District 4, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82
  • 9. 1917 Indian Census Rolls, Comanche Tribe, Oklahoma
    • 30 June, Kiowa Agency
  • 10. Ancestry Trees
  • 11. 1860 Federal Census, Gillespie County, Texas
    • 20 July, Precinct 3, PO Fredericksburg, page 32, Hse #285, Fam #267
  • 12. 1910 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma
    • 24 May, Chandler Township, District 40, page 2B, Hse/Fam #17
  • 13. Ancestry Discussion Boards
    • "Rudolph Fischer, Indian Captive"
  • 14. 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma
    • 10 April, Chandler Township, District 5, page 5A, Hse/Fam #82
  • 15. U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
  • 16. 1920 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma
    • 19 January, Chandler Township, District 113, parker RR Section, page 4B, Hse #76, Fam #77
  • 17. 1930 Indian Census Rolls
    • Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 April, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No Page #
  • 18. 1920 Indian Census Rolls
    • Kiowa, Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 30 June, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, No Page #
  • 19. Find a Grave Memorial Registry
  • 20. Gravestone of Henry Asewaynah Willie Fisher and Agnes E Fisher, Ft Cobb Cemetery, Washita County, Oklahoma
  • 21. 1937 Indian Census Rolls
    • Kiowa Comanche and Apache Tribes, Oklahoma, 1 January, Kiowa Agency, Comanche Tribe, District 45-19, Page 22
  • 22. 1940 Federal Census, Caddo County, Oklahoma
    • 10 April, District 8-54, Page 4A, Hse #59, Owns
  • 23. 1930 Federal Census, Comanche County, Oklahoma
    • 10 April, Chandler Township, District 4, page 5A, Hse/Fam #81

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