Meshack W GREEN Henry GREEN Elizabeth GREEN Thomas Ross GREEN Mary Ann GREEN Daniel John GREEN Daniel GREEN John GREEN David GREEN Lucresa GREEN Charlotte GREEN Francy GREEN Lucretia FRANKLIN Mini tree diagram

John GREEN1,2,3,4

1784 - 8th Apr 18571

Life History

1784

Born in Rocky River, Pendleton, South Carolina.1,2

(most likely)

1799

Birth of son Daniel GREEN in South Carolina.2,5

1800

Birth of son John GREEN in South Carolina.2

1802

Birth of son David GREEN in South Carolina.2

6th May 1804

Birth of daughter Lucresa GREEN in North Carolina.6,7,8,9,10,4

1843

Death of son John GREEN in Cass County, Georgia.2

8th Apr 1857

Died in Hall County, Georgia.1

UNKNOWN

Born

(less likely)

Other facts

 

Married Charlotte GREEN

Notes

  • Most genealogies consider John's mother to be Lucretia Franklin.  TheShoemaker genealogy, and perhaps others, reports a second wife ofMeshack as his mother, Mary Polly Wiseman.  However, this conflictswith the report in Meshack's will in 1800 that his surviving wife isLucretia (Creasy).

    Compilations on this generation of Greens are mostly confused andseveral generations seem compressed into one, and more than one linecombined in different ways in different sources.  Very difficult tosort out.

    This line of Greens is attested at various levels as being Cherokee orpart Cherokee.  Some report it in the Green line of Meshack, andothers report that Lucretia's Franklin line were Cherokee.  Aprominent Green branch is Gardner Green, who appears to be from thissame Green lineage.  They claim to be fully Cherokee, but moved northto the Midwest.  This lineage was online for a while but has sincedisappeared.
    --  Gardner Green, http://www.gardnergreen.info/control.html

    Some of that information on this Gardner Green Cherokee family isfound in discussion lists on Ancestry.com.
    --  Gardner Cherokee Green, "Gardner Green, Cherokee 1735-1835,"http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.green/12.144/mb.ashx

    "I am a descendant of Lucressa and Adam Campbell. Cressa is what somecall her. Her father was John Green from the Carolina's. She was ofNative heritage, but I am not sure how much. Adam and Lucressa settledin Jasper Alabama and owned land near Smith Lake. This was before theCivil War. They had at least two sons who fought for the Union Army.They both died of sickness during the war. Adam and Lucressa werecommon law husband and wife because she was considered a woman ofcolor by law, due to her Native heritage. I understand that JohnGreen's father was a Meshach, but have no evidence. Lucressa and Adamare both buried near Smith Lake."
    --  P J Martin, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 12 May  2014

    A researcher cousin named Sheri Horton reported to me in May 2014 thatshe had found the Missouri Cherokee registration cards for persons inthis line, in which both Meshack W Green and Lucretia Franklin werereported as fullbood Cherokee.  But multiple requests to Sheri for acopy of the document or documents with wording relating to htis havebeen unfrutiful.

    "I just got my card from the Northern Cherokee Nation for proving JohnHorton, wife Nancy Anne Green daughter of Meshack Green(e) . I foundtherm on the Emmigration rolls of 1817-1835 That Meshack, Creasy, andNancy Anne were full Cherokee!  ... They are recognised by the stateof Missouri and are working on Federal recognition."
    --  Sheri Horton, Ancestry Message to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 10 May2014

    There are several lines of Greens in the Carolinas and Georgia.  Somehave this John Green connected to my Green line, a son of Meshack andLucretia Green, thought to be of full or part Cherokee descent.  Hemay be a brother to my direct ancestor Daniel John Green.  Somesources give the same death date for John as others give for DanielJohn.  They may be the same person, but other details of children donot match.

    In some genealogies, these two persons are combined under the name ofeither John Green, Daniel Green or Daniel John Green, with mixeddetails that seem to me to come from three different Green lineages!No notes or explanations are found in any of these confusinggenealogies.  I have had some direct contact from some individuals inthese genealogies who provided some few family details on one or twoindividuals in their line.  All my sources are fully documented here.

    One or two had identified this John Green with another unrelated lineof Greens in north Carolina.  Members of that prominent Green familyin Rutherford County, South Carolina, are of European background, andare also reported in this genealogy, associated with the McSwains,Bridges, Padgetts, Moores and Washburns from prerevolutionary times.Many of these Carolina families, however, intermarried with theCherokee, the populous indigenous people of the Carolina area.

    John Green b 1784
    Father Meshack GREEN b: 1720
    Mother Lucretia FRANKLIN b: ABT 1755
    Marriage wife Charlotte <Unknown maiden name> b 1782
    --  Ancestry Trees, Jess Headley,http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2716375&id=I26870

    Some genealogies have information on Charlotte as Charlotte Brown,with a nickname Lottie reported by some.  But I have found no parentsfor her.  (One confused genealogy has parents named Green for her,though her surname is Brown.)  More likely it should be CharlotteGreen, with parents named Green.  She appears to be the CharlotteGreen in another line of Greens for whom we have found no connectionto Meshack's family.  That Charlotte Green was the daughter of WilliamMarion Green and Drucilla McBrayer of Rutherford County, NorthCarolina.

    "Charlotte had a daughter named Lucretia aka Lucressa aka Lucinda, akaCressy.  She married a man named Adam Campbell.  They are buried onproperty off of Lake Smith Dam Road in Walker County Alabama.Lucretia is my GG Grandmother."
    --  Clint Norwood, note on the genealogy site, 1 July 2011

    More genealogies have gradually come out providing reasonable detailsthat seem to reflect family sources, though they do not providedocumentation.  The following one provides the maiden name of John'swife Charlotte.  Another indicates her nickname was Lottie, a commonnickname for Charlotte.  This also provides a middle name for theirdaughter Lucinda, which makes her named after John's mother Lucretia.The name on Lucinda's gravestone is spelled Lucresa.

    John Green
    Birth 1784 in Rocky River, Pendleton Dist, South Carolina
    Death 8 Apr 1857 in Hall, Georgia
    Spouse Charlotte Brown
    Birth 1782 in South Carolina
    Death 1860 in Gordon, Georgia
    Daughter Lucinda Lucresa Green
    Birth 09 May 1804 in North Carolina
    Death 13 Sep 1862 in Smith Lake, Walker, Alabama
    --  Rosenbaum/Driscoll,http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/26471681/person/1969545353?ssrc=&ftm=1

    Rocky River was the name of an old settlement on the railroad inPendleton District, South Carolina.  The area is now in AndersonCounty, one of the several divisions of old Pendleton in the 1800s.Rocky River community was near the Rocky River, a few miles south ofthe city of Anderson.

    The data of death here is the same as for a Daniel John Green,reported by many genealogies as a son of this same Meshack andLucretia.  It had seemed odd before that there was a Daniel John andJohn who were brothers, though many families in this era reused thesame names for two of their children.  However, reported wives andchildren of John Green and Daniel John Green were different.  Both arereported to have had a son named John, both born about 1800.Otherwise there is no similarity to reported children for the two.

    But there is one genealogy that has the same family information forJohn Green as above, but the man's name there is Daniel John.  Most ofthese genealogies have incomplete families, so the familyconfigurations are not definitive.  I do think the same death dateindicates perhaps a confusion of two persons or a confusion in thenaming.  I may have misinterpolated information from these spottysources, as may have some of the other more complete genealogies Ihave more recently found and drawn upon!

Sources

  • 1. Ancestry Trees
    • Rosenbaum/Driscoll,
  • 2. Ancestry Trees
    • Jess Headley,
  • 3. Glenda Pool, William Green Genealogy
    • Name: private, received through Green-Bearden family channels;
  • 4. P J Martin
  • 5. 1850 Federal Census, Forsyth County, Georgia
    • 25 October, page 445, Hse/Fam #1111
  • 6. 1850 Federal Census, Cass County, Georgia
    • 23 September, Division 12, p 320-21 (scan 160-61), Hse #860, Fam #870
  • 7. Ancestry Trees
    • Lynn Tyler,
  • 8. Gravestone of Lucresa (Green) Campbell, Private plot, near Smith Lake,Walker County, Alabama
  • 9. 1860 Federal Census, Walker County, Alabama
    • 6 June, Eastern Division, PO Jasper, Page 7 (869), House #40, Family
  • 10. Find a Grave Memorial Registry

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