Henry GREEN Mary GREEN Saxon GREEN Jeptha GREEN Ambrose GREEN Matilda GREEN Elizabeth GREEN Nelly GREEN Jeremiah GREEN Mini tree diagram

Alley SAXON1,2,3

also known as Caroline SAXON2,4

17871,2,3 - UNKNOWN2

Life History

1787

Born in North Carolina.1,2,3

1807

Birth of daughter Mary GREEN in Pendleton Distrtict, South Carolina.5,2,1

1807

Married Henry GREEN.2

1810

Birth of son Saxon GREEN in Pendleton Distrtict, South Carolina.6,2

1812

Birth of son Jeptha GREEN in South Carolina.7,2

about 1819

Birth of son Ambrose GREEN in Pendleton Distrtict, South Carolina.2,9,10

1826

Birth of daughter Matilda GREEN in South Carolina.11,2,12,13,14

1828

Birth of daughter Elizabeth GREEN in Georgia.2,1,15

1832

Birth of daughter Nelly GREEN in Georgia.15,2

1833

Birth of son Jeremiah GREEN in Georgia.2

before 1850

Death of Henry GREEN in Cherokee County, Alabama

1852

Death of son Jeptha GREEN in Cherokee County, Alabama.2

before 1860

Death of son Saxon GREEN in Cherokee County, Alabama.2

26th Feb 1889

Death of daughter Matilda GREEN in Pryor's Station, Polk, Georgia.2

12th Mar 1911

Death of son Ambrose GREEN in Cherokee County, Alabama.8

UNKNOWN

Death of daughter Nelly GREEN

UNKNOWN

Death of daughter Elizabeth GREEN

UNKNOWN

Death of daughter Mary GREEN

UNKNOWN

Death of son Jeremiah GREEN

UNKNOWN

Died in Cherokee County, Alabama.2

Notes

  • Some people report Caroline and Alley as the same person, some as twowives of this same Henry Green,a nd one reports that Caroline was themother (or stepmother) of this Henry, whose father was also Henry.  Wethink this Henry's father was Meshack.  Caroline may also be simplyanother name for Alley, especially with the suspicious same last name. None of these tell how they go their information, so remainunreliable or undefinitive

    There may another wife whose name we do not have.  But Alley(Caroline) may be the mother of all Henry's children.  That seems tobe the simplest scenario that will account for the most information weknow.

    I have found that much of the undocumented and uncommented informationcirculating in some of the genealogies contradicts what I have foundin the somewhat spotty census records.  But there is some informationin some undocumented genealogies that sounds like family insideinformation, which, if documented, might shed more light and fill moregaps on this family.

    The marriage date for Alley Saxon matches the dates of birth ofchildren of Caroline Saxon.  There is no birth date or marriage datefor Caroline Saxon.  Dates of birth of the two sets of children,together with the various conflicting dates of birth for a HenryGreen(e) suggests there were two Henry Greens with two separatefamilies.

    The dates of the two groups of children are far enough apart to allowthe fathers to be father and son.  They might also be cousins ofoverlapping generations.  Caroline and Alley may be names for the sameperson, and the second wife be another person whose name we do not yethave.

    1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama, 11 July, District 27,page ?, Hse/Fam #858
    Alley Green 63 F No Occupation $No Real Estate Value b SC (b abt 1787)
    Polly Green 42 F b SC  (b abt 1808)
    Betsy Green 22 F b Georgia  (b abt 1828)
    Nelly Green 7 F b Georgia  (b abt 1843)

    In Alley's household is 42-year-old Polly.  The age of Polly herematches in age a Mary Green reported by most genealogies as a daughterof Henry and Alley.  Polly is a common nickname for women named Maryin this era.  Daughter Mary was born about 1807, and Polly at age 42would have been born about 1808.  This is likely the same person.

    The two younger women in Alley's household are Betsy age 22 and Nellyage 17, whom many genealogies report as daughters of Alley SaxonGreen.  This seemed unlikely to me, due to Alley's advanced age atNelly's birth.  When Nelly was born in about 1832 or 1833, Alley wouldhave been 48.  But considering Alley as Nelly's mother seems thesimplest scenario to account for the most factors.  SimilarlyJeremiah, born in about 1833, seems to be Alley's son also.

    In 1850, Alley's son Saxton (Saxon) and his wife Elizabeth are livingnext door.

    1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama, 11 July, District 27,page ?, Hse/Fam #857
    Saxton Green 40 M None b SC  (b abt 1810)
    Elizabeth Green 30 F b SC  (b abt 1820)
    Susan Green 14 F b Alabama  (b abt 1836)
    Caroline Green 9 F b Alabama  (b abt 1841)
    Henry Green 6 M b Alabama (b abt 1844)
    James Green 4 M b Alabama  (b abt 1846)
    Wm Green 1mo M b Alabama (b abt May 1850)

    On the previous page is another son Jephtha and next door to him onanother page is Matilda and her husband Monterville Israel.

    Several undocumented genealogies of this family (which seem to havecopied each other, but also appear to represent family information),report that Henry and Alley's son Jeremiah was born in 1833 and diedin 1834.  There is a Jeremiah Green with his wife and familyenumerated in the 1860 census near other members of this family, do itseems likely this is the son of Henry and Alley.

    Another problem is the age and time of birth.  Jeremiah is generallyagreed to have been born about 1833, and this is consistent with thecensus entry in 1860, where Jeremiah is reported to be 27 years old.If Alley is his mother and he was born in 1833, from her birth year in1785, Alley would have been 48 when he was born.  It may be that twogenerations are mixed here, or different people of the Green lineagewith the same names have been merged.

    Here is another puzzle and complication.  Next door to Alley on theother side is a household of two women.  The head of the home is SarahSmith, age 47.  With her is a Sarah Green age 15, born in Alabama.This child is of an age to follow Nelly in birth order.  Alley wouldhave been about 48 at the age of Sarah Green.

    Genealogies report a final child, Jeremiah Green, born in about 1833.He is not in this 1850 census, but is near other members of thisfamily in the 1860 census in Cherokee Alabama.  I cannot figure outwho Sarah Smith would be.  Perhaps just a helpful neighbor helpingwidow Alley take care of the children by boarding one daughter?

    1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama, 11 July, District 27,page ?, Hse/Fam #859
    Sarah Smith 47 F No Occupation Stated b Georgia  (b abt 1803)
    Sarah Green 15 F b Alabama  (b abt 1835)

    1860 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama, 15 July, District 2, POCenter, page 70, Hse/Fam #496
    Alley Green 70 F Farmer $300 Real Estate $325 Personal born NorthCarolina [b abt 1790] noted as widow
    Mary Ennis 53 F Widow born South Carolina [b abt 1827]
    Elizabeth Green 30 F born South Carolina [b abt 1837]

    Note that here the birth place of Alley is reported as North Carolina,rather than South Carolina as I would expect from previousinformation.

    Mary Ennis appears to be the child reported as Mary Green in sourcesand as Polly Green in the 1850 census.  Since she was living with hermother at age 42 in the 1850 census, she was likely already a widow,even though the enumerator recorded her name as Polly Green.

Sources

  • 1. 1860 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 15 July, District 2, PO Center, page 70, Hse/Fam #496
  • 2. Ancestry Trees
    • Jess Headley,
  • 3. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 11 July, District 27, page ?, Hse/Fam #158
  • 4. One World Tree (sm)
    • http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=41369204
  • 5. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 1 July, District 21, page ?, Hse/Fam #158
  • 6. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 11 July, District 27, page ?, Hse/Fam #857
  • 7. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 11 July, District 27, page ?, Hse/Fam #850
  • 8. Alabama Deaths, 1908-59
    • Vol 3, Certificate #101
  • 9. 1850 Federal Census, DeKalb County, Alabama
    • 17 December, Division 25, p 737 (scan 368), Hse/Fam #581
  • 10. 1840 Alabama State Census, Cherokee County
    • page 50
  • 11. 1880 Federal Census, Polk County, Georgia
    • 9 June, Hampton Township, District 166, page 19, HseFam #228
  • 12. 1870 Federal Census, Floyd County, Georgia
    • 10 August, Subdivision 141, PO Rome, page 83, Hse #596, Fam #583
  • 13. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 11 January, District 27, page 29, Hse/Fam #849
  • 14. 1860 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 7 June, District 2, PO Centre, page (scan #54), Hse/Fam #388
  • 15. 1850 Federal Census, Cherokee County, Alabama
    • 11 July, District 27, page ?, Hse/Fam #858

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