Nancy Anne GREEN Primer Uxor MESHACKAE Henry GREEN Elizabeth GREEN Thomas Ross GREEN Mary Ann GREEN Daniel John GREEN John GREEN Francy GREEN Lucretia FRANKLIN Mini tree diagram
Meshack W GREEN

Meshack W GREEN2,1,4,7,8,9

also known as Meshack W GREENE3

also known as Meshack GREEN6

also known as Meshanks GREEN5

about 17204 - 24th Jan 17992,5

Miller

Life History

about 1720

Born in Pendleton District, South Carolina.2,3,4

(most likely)

before 1756

Married Primer Uxor MESHACKAE

1758

Birth of daughter Nancy Anne GREEN in Pendleton District, South Carolina.10,20

1770

Birth of son Henry GREEN in South Carolina.6

before 1770

Death of Primer Uxor MESHACKAE in Pendleton District, South Carolina

about 1770

Married Lucretia FRANKLIN in South Carolina.4,4

1774

Birth of daughter Elizabeth GREEN.2

about 1775

Birth of daughter Mary Ann GREEN in North Carolina.11,12

1775

Birth of son Thomas Ross GREEN in North Carolina.2,10,4

about 1781

Birth of son Daniel John GREEN in South Carolina.13,14,15,16,17,18

1784

Birth of son John GREEN in Rocky River, Pendleton, South Carolina.19,6

about 1785

Birth of daughter Francy GREEN in South Carolina.18

1790

Resident in Pendleton District, South Carolina.1

24th Jan 1799

Died in Pendleton District, South Carolina.2,5

Other facts

 

Born in North Carolina.4

Everything we can discern suggests or declares that Meshack W Greenwas born in South Carolina, not North Carolina.

Notes

  • U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
    Meshack Green
    Birth 1717 NC
    Spouse Name Creasy
    Marriage State of SC

    One or more genealogies have Isaac Green as the father of Meshack WGreen.  But the dates for Isaac Green do not match with the Meshack WGreen information I have.  The Meshack born in 1720 could not be theson of this Isaac, son of John Green & Mary Sampson, who was born in1721, as some genealogies have.

    There are further several individuals of the name Meshack Green orsome similar spelling, with few details to confirm familyrelationships.  The name Meshack was very popular around that time,along with Shadrack and Abednego.

    Uncertainties
    I have not been able to get the relationships straightened out todetermine which family of similar Greens our Meshack goes with.  Butwe have confirmed that both Meshack and his wife Lucretia Franklinwere part or fullblood Cherokee.  There seems to be a connection tothe Gardner Green line of Cherokees, but the exact connecting link forthe two lines has not been found.

    The line from Meshack down seems firm.  Much detail and documentationwas added during 2015, as well as individuals in generations up to thepresent in several descendant lines.  More contributions have comefrom various additional descendant researchers who are now cooperatingwith me on reconstructing this line.

    Different genealogies, of varying degrees of credibility, have variousfathers for this Meshack.  Suggested names for Meshack W Green areIsaac, William and Meshack.  There are date problems and generationaltime problems in them.  For now I am leaving this Meshack disconnectedfrom any ancestral line, for no parents have been confirmed anddocumented.  His dates may be wrong.

    There are several Meshack Greens, and there are some indications theyare kin in various ways.  Individual details are spotty.  There weresome indications that the 1810 census Meshack is a son or nephew ofour Meshack and Lucretia.  New work in 2015 on Meshack's children andtheir descendants now indicates that is unlikely.  I have worked withseveral descendants on the factors of the Meshack Green and relatedfamilies, and there are many holes we have not yet entirely plugged.

    Cherokee
    In December 2007, working with another Green family researcher, Ifound references to Meshack and his wife Lucretia (Creasy) Franklin.The research site discusses the claims by both this Green line and theFranklin family to Cherokee heritage.  DNA findings also connect thisGreen family to the Greens in Madison, Illinois, who at one timepresented their research online. (Unfortunately, this website droppedoff the Internet at some point, and I have not found it on anyalternative domain.)

    Some discussion about the Gardner Green lineage is found onAncestry.com Discussion lists.  I am not sure if these are publiclyavailable to non-subscribers from links I provide below. It seemsquite likely that Meshack belongs to this line of Greens.

    That source also reports that Meshack Green lived in the Old 96thDistrict of South Carolina, part of which later went into PendletonDistrict when it was established in 1789, mostly out of formerCherokee lands.  This is consistent with the information on Meshackcompiled by Glenda Pool, reporting Meshack born about 1720 inPendleton District, South Carolina.  96th District was formed in 1769,then partitioned into smaller areas.  The 96th District name wasdiscontinued in 1798.

    Gardner Green family information reports vaguely that the Franklinsclaim their Cherokee descent from Gardner Green.  This is not clear asto whether it means due to Lucretia's marriage to Meshack, or if theFranklins were previously already kin to these Greens.  Details arespotty.

    There is considerable information on this Gardner Green Cherokeefamily in discussion lists on Ancestry.com.
    --  Gardner Cherokee Green, "Gardner Green, Cherokee 1735-1835,"http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.green/12.144/mb.ashx

    P J Martin shares helpful family information that reports that herancestor John Green is thought to be the son of Meshack W Green andLucretia Franklin.

    "I am a descendant of Lucressa and Adam Campbell. Cressa is what somecall her.  Her father was John Green from the Carolina's. She was ofNative heritage, but I am not sure how much. Adam and Lucressa settledin Jasper, Alabama and owned land near Smith Lake. This was before theCivil War.  They had at least two sons who fought for the Union Army.They both died of sickness during the war.  Adam and Lucressa werecommon law husband and wife because she was considered a woman ofcolor by law, due to her Native heritage.  I understand that JohnGreen's father was a Meshach, but have no evidence. Lucressa and Adamare both buried near Smith Lake."
    --  P J Martin, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 12 May  2014

    Among the various family sources, there are reports of Cherokeedescent for either one, or for both Meshack and Lucretia.  Some say"part or full blood."  Due to the confusion in claims in the varioussources, it seemed unlikely that either one was full blood Cherokee.But again, as I say, details are unclear, and reports are spotty andnot fully consistent.  A DNA report of a Green gropu where atr leastone of them had reproted our Meshack W Green as an ancestor seems toprove definitively that Meshack could not be fullblood Cherokee, sincehis paternal Y-DNA indicates a European genetic haplogroup.  Hismother could have been part of fullblood Cherokee.

    DNA
    Troy Sims reported a connection known to him from his side of thefamily.

    "Thanks for your notes. Off the top of my head, this Meshack Greenline is connected to the Greens of Rutherford NC, and Henry Green thatdied around 1745 Lunenburg Va.  This is confirmed through DNAtesting."
    --  Troy Sims, Comment on this genealogy in RootsWeb

    Sims reports that some DNA tests have been done, and that theseindicate Native American origins for Meshack's descendants.

    "I was going back through my results and realized one of closermatches by the name of Sullivan (from Tenn) shares Meshack as a commonancestor. The confidence level is 'very high' for the match."
    --  Lynne F Burgess, Ancestry messaging to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 17September  2015

    Another Green line in my genealogy is related in several by marriageto my wife's paternal line of McSwains, and the related Padgetts,Bridges, Hamricks and others in Cleveland and Rutherford Counties inNorth Carolina and neighboring areas of South Carolina.  In studyingY-DNA reports, I found that a member of this family group, DavidHowell Green, is reported in the same Y-DNA group as Meshack W Green.This is based, it seems. on reported ancestors of individuals who havehad their DNA tested.  I have reconstructed David's ancestor tree backto one Joseph Green (1725-1771).

    David Howell Green (1824-1863)  is reported in Family Tree DNA in thesame Y-DNA12 marker group as Meshack W Green (1720-1799).  These arelisted in the Family Tree Green-Greene DNA Project underR1b1a2a1a1b3c, as relatives of Thomas F and Winifred (Seybourne)Green, St Marys, Maryland.
    --https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Green/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

    The parents of Joseph Green have not been confirmed.  The parents ofMeshack W Green, likewise, have not been discovered.  Thus theirconnection to Thomas F Green is not known.  Another member of thiskinship group, named Thomas Norton Green, born about 1500, shares theR-L2 haplogroup of DNA with Meshack W Green  in this same Y-DNA12kinship group.  These two are the only ones of this haplogroup who arereported in this list of relatives of Thomas F and Winifred(Seybourne) Green.  David Howell Green has a different haplogroup,R-M269.

    One thing this tells us is, if this genetic relationship indeed iscorrect for Meshack W Green, he could not possibly be fullbloodCherokee.  Mitochondrial DNA analysis could tell us the other side ofthe picture.  So far that analysis and any connection for Meshack hasnot been found.

    Here is a brief description from FamilyTree DNA of the family groupand specific Haplogroup L2 for Meshack.

    "R1b is a haplogroup or branch of the human family tree of paternallineages. It is marked by a mutation of the Y chromosome named M343.P25 and M269 are part of R1b along with several large youngersubclades; L21, U152, DF27, P312, U106 & Z2103."
    --  Family Tree DNA, cited inhttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-YDNA/info

    For more detail see:
    R1b-L21 Descendants Tree Chart,https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l21/about/background

    Early Records
    A Green enumerated as Masheek Green is reported in Pendleton District,South Carolina, the right location for our Meshack.  Rutherford wasthe neighboring county in North Carolina.  I have not, however, beenable to verify Meshack's connection to the Green line most plentifulthere, related to Henry and Isaac.

    The Rutherford line of Greens were very prominent in other lines therelike the McSwains, Padgetts, Hamricks and other intermarried clans ofRutherford. These are covered in some detail in this genealogy.  Thisline is found in North and South Carolina and in points west as theymigrated out.  Meshack's descendants moved out too, to settle inArkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma.

    1790 South Carolina Census, Pendleton District, page 14
    Masheek Green head of household
    3 Free White Males Under 16
    2 Free White Males 16 and Over
    4 Free White Females
    No Slaves

    Records report what appears to be this Meshack Green in connectionwith others originally from Virginia, in land transactions inPendleton, South Carolina at this time.  Meshack is connected toGardner Green and the Sizemore family who moved from Virginia to SouthCarolina, and were of Cherokee descent.  The report of Cherokeedescent is strong in various Green genealogies, some of which are nolonger posted.  These genealogies mention the Franklins of Meshack'swife Lucretia.

    Green-Horton descendant Sheri Horton, who was registered as a memberof the Missouri Cherokee tribe, found some information on Meshack'sline in Cherokee Records compiled by Bob Blankenship.  She has a copyfrom another publication by Jack D Baker.  Sheri found an ancestor inMeshack's family, as a son-in-law mentioned in Meshack's will, namedJohn Horton.

    "I found my great grandfather x4 in the 1817 Cherokee emigrationrolls.  He is also listed on Meshack's will as his son-in-law, as isIsaac Horton who married Meshack' s daughter Mary. The 1817 emigrationroll says that those undersigned agree to give up (loose translationin my words) their land in Cherokee territory for land in the Arkansasterritory.  Those records are transcribed in a book titled CherokeeRoots vol 1 by Bob Blankenship."
    --  Sheri Horton, personal Ancestry Messaging to Orville Boyd Jenkins,26 August 2015

    The ancestor she is talking about would be John Brissell Horton, whomarried Meshack's daughter Nancy Anne.  Nancy Ann was born beforeMeshack married Lucretia Franklin.  No name is know for a previouswife of Meshack.  Nancy Ann was about the same age as LucretiaFranklin.

    The book by Blankenship is available from several sources, but rangesin price from $10 to $100.  The book is described on GoodReads as"Official United States Government Census of the Cherokee Indian from1817 through 1924 residing East of the Mississippi River."
    --  GoodReads,https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2163608.Cherokee_Roots_Volume_1

    1790: Pendleton District, SC Deeds 1790-1806
    22 Jul. 1790
    Thomas Coker of Abbeville Co., S.C. to John Green of Greenville Co.,S.C., for £10
    50 Acres on Hurricane Creek, South side of Saluda River, part of tractgranted to Thomas Coker, whereon he now lives.
    Recorded Bk. YYYY, p. 408, 22 Jan. 1789, bd. Crawfish Branch, JohnJohnston.
    Wit:
    Meshack Green
    Lewis Green
    James Sizemore
    Lewis Green made oath 22 Jul. 1790
    --  originally on the Gardner Green genealogy website, no longeronline

    Another researcher, Barbara Cook, has shared with me some of herfindings, from research on the Franklin side of this lineage.  She hasfound similar names and relationships.  The James Sizemore mentionedhere is likely the same James Sizemore who was a witness in the deedtransaction we have just examined.

    "You do know Gardner Green owned land next to Isshom [Isham or Issom]Franklin, found on the Internet one time but can't find it now. Did Itell you on my kin's Guion Miller application, she listed my ThomasFranklin born around 1780 as dark complected, coarse black hair.  Sheis the only one that had seen Thomas Jefferson Franklin.  I believeEphriam [sic] Franklin and Nancy were his parents.  I have EphriamFranklin's estate papers, and he names Thomas Bartley Henry and JamesSizemore as heirs.  James was married to Patience Franklin."
    --  Barbara Cook, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 4 February 2012

    Barbara Cook also contributed the transcription of a deed she had inwhich Meshack was a witness, which also involved a Sizemore.

    "I have a deed from James Johnson to a Thomas Franklin.  I am sure itis not Thomas Jefferson Franklin; it is in 1771.  It has H Sizemore aswitness, and Meshack Green.  I have seen the posting many times ofLucretia Franklin marrying Meshack Green, and since Lucretia is alsoin my line, I figure it is the same bunch, so who is H Sizemore?"
    --  Barbara Cook, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, January 30, 2012

    1769/22/Feb. SC Deed Abstracts Vol.IV p.189- Book V3 pp.367-372 L&R
    James JOHNSTON to THOMAS FRANKLIN both of Granville Co., SC.
    (Receipt says paid by Solomon WOOD) 100A on the CHEROKEE PONDS inGranville Co. granted 1 Feb. 1768 to James JOHNSTON surveyed on"warrant of William COCHRAM", bounding on all sides on vacant land.
    Witnesses:
    ISSUM FRANKLIN
    MESHACK GRIM [GREEN JK]
    HENRY SIZEMORE
    Before Lewis POWELL, J.P. on 3 Mar. 1769.  Rec. 14 Aug. 1771

    The Sizemore lineage has done a DNA sampling test that went fairlydeep into comparison with other lineages showing the same uniqueNative American marker.  This Indian Y-chromosome gene came from theCaribbean, predating English colonies in Virginia.  They becameassociated with the Cherokee in the colonies later.  You can read moreabout the Sizemore Native American genetics here:
    --  Sizemore DNA,http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html

    Two different collections of genealogies in Ancestry's Trees have somebits of information, some more helpful than others, as usual in thehodge-podge.  None suggest parents for either Meshack or Lucretia(Creasy or "Creory," possibly a misreading for Creasy).
    --  Lucretia Franklin,http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=26541410
    --  Meshack Greene,http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=41510326

    Confusion
    Jess Headley presents the following information and family structurefor Meshack and Lucretia

    Meshack GREEN, Birth 1720, Death 1799 in Pendleton Dist, S.C.
    Burial AFT 1850 Gwinnett Co, Ga [51 years after death!]
    Marriage Lucretia FRANKLIN b: ABT 1755 [when he was 35 years old]
    Children:
    Nancy Anne GREEN
    Mary Ann GREEN b: 1767
    Henry GREEN b: ABT 1770 in SC
    Elizabeth GREEN b: 1774
    Thomas GREEN b: 1775
    Daniel GREEN b: 1781
    John GREEN b: 1784
    Francy GREEN b: 1790
    --  Jess Headley,http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2716375&id=I26818

    This burial of Meshack in Gwinnett County, Georgia, seems odd, sincehis death occurred in Pendleton District, South Carolina.  But lookagain, this is not only odd, but impossible!  Meshack's family did notwait around 50 years to bury Meshack after 1850, when he died in 1799! That was 130 years after his birth!  (Don't people ever check theirwork!?)  So this one entry might call the whole set of informationinto question.  Fortunately, other sources confirm some details ofthis family.

    There are other obvious errors here, as in the first three or fourchildren.  If Lucretia was born in 1755, she did not have Mary AnnGreen in 1767, at age 12!  Other sources have Lucretia born in 1750,but Mary Ann's census record in Gwinnett County in 1850 says she was88, making her born in 1762, when Lucretia was only 12 years old ifborn in 1750!  And she did not have Nancy Ann even earlier, or evenHenry in 1770, at age 15.  We are approaching reality with the birthof daughter Elizabeth in 1774.  Besides this, In 1770, Meshack wouldhave been 50.  It is not likely he married a teenager.  So let's laughat this and keep on probing.  Probing still continues in 2015.

    Let me here encourage everyone to look at the details you areconsidering from a common-sense perspective to find obvious errors ofage and birth dates.

    Along those lines, even the scenario I have narrowed it down to forMeshack W Green presents a couple of problems we have not been able toresolve.  The info we have on children shows Meshack and Lucretiahaving children at the point where Meshack is already about 50 yearsold.  That is very late to marry for the first time.

    It is possible there was a Meshack who had a son named Meshack whomarried Lucretia.  But probe as we might, so far no further details orclues have popped up in any of the clever researching we have alldone.

    World Family Tree Pedigree #3163
    gives name as Meshanks and death date of 1799
    --  Henry Greene family, citing will; date is actually probate date ofwill, so death would have been a few days earlier

    The will (see below) gives place of birth for this Meshack asPendleton District, South Carolina.  This does not match the reports(in most genealogies) that the siblings born after him are reported tobe born in Baltimore!  It appears he was just wedged in to make himfit in this family where he did not really belong.  So the Baltimoregroup is probably a different line or there are generations missing.

    Generations
    Because of the difference in birth place, Meshack and Abednego may bemisplaced with this family.  Sources are confusing, and the compilersof most genealogies are not careful, and various information is justflung together.  There were impossibly long gaps in the informationfrom earlier sources, and many details that could not fit as the onefamily represented in those 2 or 3 genealogies.  But there are stilluncertainties as I have constructed the families now.

    Glenda Pool's database of what she reconstructed as our family line(received through family channels, not published) includes a listingof residence for a Meshack Green in 1810 in Rutherford County, NorthCarolina.  This, of course, could not be this Meshack.  Glendacollected a lot of information but had not sorted and analyzed it.

    Names varied considerably in spelling in this era.  Meshack's name isspelled in various sources: Meschack, Mischack, Mishach.  The marriagerecords in the Yates Collection spells the name Meshanks.  His wifethere is stated as Creory (perhaps Creasy).  This spelling for thewife's name is also in his will.

    Carolina
    Ancestry.com has the following marriage report on Meshack and Creasy(Lucretia).  Note that this also reports his birthplace as NorthCarolina rather than South Carolina.

    U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
    Meshack Green, Gender male
    Birth 17?? NC
    Spouse Name Creasy ???
    Marriage State SC

    In May 2014, I got a note from Sheri Horton, a research colleagueworking on our Green family line.  She reported she had succeeded infinding a reference to Meshack and Lucretia as the ancestors ofreference in the line of their daughter Nancy Ann Green Horton in theMissouri Cherokee Nation.

    "I just got my card from the Northern Cherokee Nation for proving JohnHorton, wife Nancy Anne Green daughter of Meshack Green(e).  I foundtherm on the Emigration rolls of 1817-1835 That Meshack, Creasy, andNancy Anne were full Cherokee! [The rolls themselves do not statethis;  I have not seen documentation to this effect.  And our DNAinformation above makes this impossible.] ... They are recognised bythe state of Missouri and are working on Federal recognition."
    --  Sheri Horton, Ancestry Message to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 10 May2014

    This information does not mean that Meshack and Nancy Ann's motherwere fullblood Cherokee.  Cherokees had been marrying whites sincevery early in the colonial settlement process.  Cherokees accepted thewhite settlers and tended to adopt English names.  It seems a highpercentage of the Cherokees intermarried.  Some maintained tribalconnections while others moved into the general "white" stream, whichactually included a lot of intermarriage with most native tribes alongthe way.

    And if the designation of Meshack as an ancestor is correct in the DNAreports analyzed, he had to have a European ancestor, as explained inour analysis above.

    Sheri had earlier mentioned the Horton line.

    "Regarding Meshack Greene m Creasy (Franklin ?),  Daughter Nancy AnneGreene married Jonathan Horton, son of Abraham and Martha BrisselsHorton. Jonathan of Quaker faith was excommunicated from the churchfor marrying out of the faith, leading me to believe that mygggggrandmother Nancy Anne Greene was of Cherokee descent.  Jonathanand Nancy's son John married Susan Grider and the family moved toWashington Co Mo.  John a soldier in the War of 1812, had a landgrant.  The family remains in Washington and surrounding counties."
    --  Sheri Horton, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 19 October 2010

    I think the identity of Jonathan Horton with John Brissell Horton isuncertain, due to some discrepancies in facts and details.Genealogies do report the same parents of Jonathan and John Brissell.And it is not clear these are alternative names for the sameindividual.  Two persons may be conflated in some of thesegenealogies.

    Several genealogies do report a daughter of Meshack named Nancy Anne,but report her birth around 1758, about the same time as LucretiaFranklin, who later married Meshack.  This is the Nancy Ann Green thatwould be of an age to have married John Brissell Horton.  This is thebirth date usually reported for John Brissell Horton's wife NancyAnn(e) Green(e).  This would require an earlier first wife of Mesahck. And given the date of his birth, he likely was married long before hewould have met and been able to marry Creasy, born about 1775,according to most sources.  No name or details for any earlier wife isfound anywhere, nor names of any earlier children, other than thisNancy Ann, born about 1758.

    One or more genealogies report a daughter of Lucretia and Meshacknamed Nancy Anne Green who was born in 1792.  But this would be toolate to be the wife of John Brissell Horton, who was born in 1748.The place of death in Missouri matches the reports of Nancy Ann GreenHorton, wife of John Brissell Horton.  But maybe her husband JohnHorton was not John Brissell Horton, but his son or another youngermember of the same family.  The following genealogy reports no husbandfor the Nancy Anne reported as the daughter of Meshack and CreasyGreen of Georgia.  Two other similar ones likewise have the laterbirth date but no husband for Nancy Anne.

    Nancy Anne Green
    Birth 1792 in Pendleton, Anderson, South Carolina
    Death 1850 in Washington, Missouri
    Parents:
    Meshack W Green 1720 - 1799
    Lucretia Creasy Franklin 1725 - 1800
    --  Johnson Family Tree,http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/25805264/person/12451365083

    Branches
    The family name is often spelled Greene, and is found that way in somecurrent genealogies.  Branches of the same family are found in bothCarolinas, Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, and western states. The specific line I am following flows the line from South Carolina,Georgia, Arkansas and Texas, then Oklahoma.  There are individuals inNorth Carolina also who may be part of this same line.

    There are still branches in all these states, and various ones of usare making connections.  I am not attempting to connect all the manybranches and individuals, but my priority is the family line thatwound up in Oklahoma, and is intertwined with the lines of Mullinax,Mullins and West along the way.

    In the earliest information I received, the name of Meshack's fatherwas William, with sources reporting William's father as either Williamor Thomas.  From this source I had the birth of Meshack in 1720.  Thisearly birth date could not be substantiated or meshed with otherfacts.  This is the only source that has a person named William.Other sources for persons named Meshack Green or Greene have the nameThomas for his father, or lack a father.

    Possibilities
    I have found a William Green, whose father is William Green, and whowas born in 1702, in Trenton, Hunterdon County, New Jersey.  But thereare no names like Shadrack, Meshack, Abednego or Thomas associatedwith this family.  These names appear only as sons of Isaac as I showhere.

    This William had a son named William, but he was born in 1743, toolate to be the father of a Meshack Green born in 1755.  These are onlythe most basic of the matching problems I have found with these names.

    Names
    Sources report three children of Meshack with the name John:  John,Daniel John and John Henry.  Dates vary so wildly that they are notmuch help, even in the sources that give separate birth dates for eachof the three "Johns."  Another suspicious fact, two girls also havethe middle name Ann:  Nancy Anne and Mary Ann.  Meshack's will alsohas the name Joney (or Joncy) of what appears to be a son, but I canfind no other information on a person with such a name.  This could beJohnny, but there is also a son named John in the will.  It could beJoany, but the name is in the list of the sons.

    On the other hand, we do see many families in the 1600s-1800s that DOgive multiple children the same name, sometimes as a primary name witha different middle name, and sometimes with a different first name andthe same second name.  The latter pattern is especially true in the hepassing on of maternal family names.

    Dates
    I have a problem with the dates given in sources.  Meshack is said tobe born in 1720.  The first child we know of, Henry Green, has a birthdate of 1770.  This is highly unlikely, if not impossible.  This makeshis father 50 years old at his birth -- the birth of the first child!

    It is reported that Meshack was married twice.  But all the knownchildren, except the first, Nancy Ann, fit the time period after themarriage to Lucretia Franklin, which would be the second marriage Thisis rather late, even for a second marriage.  His marriage to Lucretia(Creasy) Franklin was in 1770, according to sources.  He would be age50 at this marriage, then have all his children from then through thenext 20 years, 30 years by some dates.  This IS impossible.  There islikely a generation missing somehow, but no data has been found tohelp clear up this mystery.

    It was October 2010 before I got a solid lead on the first wife andlinks to other Greens in North and South Carolina.  A Shoemakergenealogy reported a John Green married to a Charlotte, which I havein this lineage.  John is a son of Meshack, and I had no maiden namefor his wife Charlotte.  The Shoemaker tree reported her as a Green,with parents I had in this database, connected to the McSwain-Mooreline of Greens.  They are in this genealogy because of their sonHenry, whose son John Elias married Judith Moore McSwain.  This lineis unconnected to the Cherokee Greens.

    Further, the Shoemaker data had the parents of John, with a secondwife of Meshack as his mother.  She was named as Mary Polly Wiseman.Though this genealogy suffers some of the confusions mentioned aboverelated to Lucretia's children (and apparently did not know thatCreasy was Lucretia), there are some credible features.

    Uh, Oh
    There is one big problem here, though.  The wife named in Meshack'swill in 1800 is Lucretia!  So this marriage to Mary Polly Wiseman,born in 1860, does not seem possible.  There may still be two similarlines mixed here.  This is a forensic process, not a delivered fiat.

    It seems to me that there has to be another generation in here.  Thiswould account for the 50-year spread.  It seems likely that Meshack Whad a son, perhaps named Meshack also, who is the father of thechildren we know of, who are reported as born from 1770 on.  Two ofthe children supposed to be Meshack W's were even born after MeshackW's death, yet the source makes absolutely no comment about this andother obvious anomalies about this family.

    I have not yet fully worked that out, so there are inconsistencies andgaps in my data.  A Meshack Green was born on Christmas day in 1755,but he was born in Baltimore, Maryland.  The names of the differentGreen(e) families are uncannily similar, in very disparate locations!It would not seem likely that the Meshack born in Baltimore was a sonof our Meshack W in South Carolina, whose descendants later movedwest.

    The Christopher Family Tree reports that this Meshack Green born in1755 in Baltimore was the son of Isaac Green born 1721 also inBaltimore.  This Isaac is the son of a John Green in the line ofGreens going back to England, and his wife Mary Samson.  This Isaac isin my genealogy.  It appears from that gathering evidence that thisline of John-Isaac-Meshack is unrelated to the Meshack and his sonDaniel John.

    Tenuous
    But the line that our Meshack W seems to be from could be related tothat line in Baltimore.  As of February 2012 I had not found adefinite connection.  The Meshack born in Baltimore in 1755 moved toTennessee and died in Morgan County on 1 June 1851.  He was married toSusannah Green (also her maiden name).

    This Meshack would be a brother to Shadrick reported in othergenealogies as the son of Isaac and Rebecca Green of Baltimore.  Onecomplication in many of these genealogies is that many have reportedon one child of Isaac and Rebecca or other generations, rather thanthe whole family to give a picture of the full family.  This makes ithard to confirm siblings and lineage information.

    In one genealogy, I did find Isaac Greene as father of all three"Hebrew" boys Shadrick, Meshack and Abednego.  The birth date of Isaacin 1721 and Meshack in 1755 in that genealogy eliminated much of theproblem of age and generation matching.  There are many unsatisfactorydiscrepancies remaining here and in all genealogies I have seen assources!  I am not fully comfortable with the connection of Baltimorewith Pendleton District, South Carolina.
    --  Judith Chadwell, Christopher Family Tree,http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?tid=1248604&pid=-1708233696&ftm=1

    Disconnections
    In July 2008, I removed Meshack b 1720 SC from the line of the Isaacand Rebecca Green b and d Baltimore, and added Meshack b 1755.  Thisgives us other lines to pursue in clarifying these Green lineages,because Judith Chadwell provides the names of Susannah Green'sparents, Steven Green and Jemima Cook.  Since Susannah was born inSouth Carolina, it seems likely she is one of the same lineage asMeshack b 1720 in Pendleton District, SC.

    I have, unfortunately, found a large number of genealogies that haveIsaac's son as Meshack W, with birth in 1720!  Even though they alsocorrectly report that his father Isaac was not born until a year laterin 1721!  How can this happen?  This kind of boondoggle completelydiscredits such a genealogy.

    There are also some suspicious aspects of the information JudithChadwell provides about Meshack (b 1755) and Susannah.  I discussthese in the Notes for Meshack Green b 1755.  What is theconfiguration of Meshack and Susannah's family?  What about Susannah'stie to South Carolina?  Why do these people not tell us where they gottheir information and how they put it together?!

    It is true almost every family I have been tracing came through eitherPendleton District, SC, or Rutherford County, NC.  But there are toomany niggling details about this Green family situation.  There weremany Green(e) families migrating from various places in the UK intosimilar areas, and following the common path southward then westwards. Meshack W Green and his wife Lucretia (Creasy) Franklin have beendefinitely associated with the Cherokee Greens, and have a fairlycertain connection to the Gardner-Green Cherokee line.  The exactconnection has not been documented.

    It seems to me that several genealogies have confused the differentlines of Greens, and similarly-named persons, and I have had troubleclarifying the lineages and relationships.  it is an ongoing project.The fact that every generation of brothers named so many of theirchildren the same names confuses the matter further.  I have not beenable to fully sort out the family lines and generations.  I am workingwith several other Green lineage researchers to unravel thisconundrum.

    The Will
    Meshack's will listed wife Creasy [as Creory], sons Thomas, John,Henry, Daniel, and son in law John Horton. Isaac Horton and JohnCaldwell also appear to have been sons in law, Issac Horton moves onto Hall County, Georgia.

    Thanks to Keith Henderson of Alabama for finding Meshack's will.  Hisinformation was given to me by a cousin, Glenda Pool.  This has theformat of a database transcription.  Probably from an early servicelike Genealogy.com, which was bought by Ancestry.com.

    MISHACH GREEN's WILL
    Wife Creasy Green
    Sons Thomas Green, Daniel Green, Henry Green, Joney Green, John Green
    Daughters Nancy Green
    Other Heirs John Caldwell [Cadwell], Elizabeth Smith, Issac Horton
    Location waters of Coxes' Creek
    Executors wife Creasy Green, son Thomas Green
    Witnesses George Anderson, Lemiel Thomason, Moley Anderson
    Will dated 19 Mar 1798, Probate 24 Jan 1799
    Record Book C, p 151, Roll 242
    Recorded 24 Jan 1799, roll 461
    Pendleton District, South Carolina

    A A Smith comments on this transcription, stating that she has a copyof the handwritten will, and there the name rendered Caldwell in thetranscription appears as Cadwell.  This was a known family living inthe area, as the comment below explains.

    "In the will of Meshack Green he mentions John Cadwell, not Caldwell.I am researching John Cadwell whose older children were born in NC buthis younger children born after 1796 were born in SC..  John Cadwelland his wife Mary moved to Christian Co. KY in 1806 from Pend. Dist.SC.  They are listed in tax records in KY as early as 1806.  They hada daughter, Nancy Cadwell, b. 1802 in SC who married John Kesterson in1819 in Christian Co. KY.  Nancy and John Kesterson had a son Harveywho was living in the Cherokee Nation.  We believe they had Indianblood on both sides.  The Kestersons were originally fromNorthumberland Co. VA to Fauquier Co. VA to Green Co. TN to ChristianCo. KY.  I always wondered why Meshack Green gave land to JohnCadwell.  I have a copy of the will and it says Cadwell not Caldwell.John and Mary Cadwell had a son, John G. Cadwell, b. 1800 SC."
    --  A A Smith, Comment on Ancestry.com, 03 Jul 2014

    Pendleton District was later divided into smaller counties, andprevious Pendleton Records were housed in Anderson County, SouthCarolina.

    Some sources report a Meshack Green dying in Morgan County, Tennessee,on 1 June 1851.  This would be a different Meshack Green, since weknow from the will that our Meshack died in 1799.  The TennesseeMeshack Green appears to be from a Baltimore, Maryland line.  It isnot clear if the Tennessee Meshack is part of this same family line ora different one.  It appears that this Meshack Green from Baltimorewas the son of Isaac and Rebecca.

    Some genealogies place our Meshack W Green (b 1720) in the place ofIsaac and Rebecca's son Meshack Green (b 1755).  But they can't be thesame person.  There is no record of Meshack W Green ever living inMorgan County, Tennessee.

    There is a Meshack Green in the 1810 Federal Census, RutherfordCounty, North Carolina, census.  This census report is cited by GlendaPool, who otherwise has the earlier dates for Meshack W Green.  Thishas to be a DIFFERENT, younger Meshack, since the first one died in1799.  The date of probating of the will is 24 January 1799, meaningthat Meshack likely died in January 1799.  Since this is AFTER deathdate, the 1810 Meshack is likely a son or nephew I have not worked outyet from previous sources who did not separate the two.

    Shadrack
    No Shadrack has been confirmed as a son of Meshack W Green, whose ownfather is also uncertain.  There are three Shadracks in the line ofGreens related to Isaac and connected to the McSwains and others ofCleveland County, North Caorlina.  This lineage is not related to theline of Meshack W Green and Lucretia Franklin.

    Affirmations

    ---------------
    Finally real story of Meshack W. Green.  Found Mishack Green's will onthe South Carolina Archives that you talked about in one of yourarticles online about Meshack Green, Lucretia Franklin.  I have seenalot of information and its confusing.

    Thank you so much for your research and work on these Greens, helpingus Green descendants to understand what is not/what is true.

    I am a direct descendant of Louallen/Lewallen Green and Jane MariaCook, SC/GA.  Also in this family, Jeremiah Green/Eliza Nalley, SouthCarolina.
    --  Sharon Marshall, comment on this genealogy on Ancestry, 3 August2016
    ---------------

    From the research of Orville Boyd Jenkins, boydorvillegmail.com

    These notes last reviewed and updated 11 August 2016

Sources

  • 1. 1790 Federal Census, Pendleton District, South Carolina
  • 2. Glenda Pool, William Green Genealogy
    • Name: private, received through Green-Bearden family channels;
  • 3. Ancestry Trees
  • 4. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
  • 5. World Family Tree Vol. 13
    • Pedigree #3163
  • 6. Ancestry Trees
    • Jess Headley,
  • 7. P J Martin
  • 8. Gary Cruce
  • 9. Lynne Burgess
  • 10. Ancestry Trees
    • http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm-cgi?op=GET&db=*v133t0575&id=I1176
  • 11. Barbara Bell, email to Orville Boyd Jenkins, 23 August 2007
  • 12. 1850 Federal Census, Gwinnett County, Georgia
    • 25 September, Sugar Hill District, page 388, Hse/Fam #935
  • 13. World Family Tree Vol. 4
    • Pedigree #1286
  • 14. 1840 Federal Census, Hall County, Georgia
    • District #507, page 65
  • 15. 1830 Federal Census, Hall County, Georgia
    • page 125
  • 16. Ancestry Trees
    • Shaking the Tree,
  • 17. Ancestry Trees
    • Richard Bates,
  • 18. 1850 Federal Census, Hall County, Georgia
    • 21 August, page 707 (scan page 353), Hse/Fam #84
  • 19. Ancestry Trees
    • Rosenbaum/Driscoll,
  • 20. RootsWeb Trees

Page created using GEDmill 1.11.0